Hi Everyone - this is happening as we speak - Awesome opportunity - Please don't pass this up!! Reserve your space now!!! Turn $150 into $8400 over and over! The program is a private by invitation only and it's being developed & implemented by the most successful and professional full-timers in this industry. It's an online, totally automated, "gifting" activity on a password protected website. There are ONLY 3 levels, $150, $300, and $600. You only need to sponsor two and you'll receive 8 - $150 gifts, totaling $1,200.00! , 8 - $300 gifts, totaling $2400 and then 8 - $600 gifts, totaling $4800. Sponsor just 2 then you are qualified for all boards. So basically you recruit one time and reap the benefits over and over as your recruits follow you on all subsequent boards. Turn $150 into $8400 over and over! The money is sent by private carrier FedEx, UPS, or Airborne ONLY. No Post Office. Most people usually request cash, but it's up to the person being gifted and you are put in touch with the person being gifted and vice versa. No middleman. No central location. All money goes directly to the members. Nothing to slow down the momentum! There is no company just concerned individuals who's goal is to help all who enter. - Computerized Board Placement. - On Line - Completely Automated - No manual manipulation of Boards - Forced Forward Progression - Password Protected Websites - Quarter Board Splits - Fast & Furious Payouts - Real Leaders Are Needed This is real and there are just 4000 people in this program and it is less than 3 months old! Leadership positions are available!!!! Turn $150 into $8400 over and over! Gifting is one of the safest and quickest means for the average person to eliminate all their financial worries. Don't miss this opportunity you can promote it all on line if you desire! Call the sizzle line (212-990-6582) and then visit the website www,freedomteam.tv/50225 read over everything there. It is impossible not to be successful - everything you need is on the website. Please get back to me ASAP - reserve your space now - there is no way to lose unless you don't join in. Get back to me and I'll forward the member only website for your review!!!! Good Luck and I hope to hear from you!!!! Warm Regards, Bill M # 182 email: billy_joseph@hotmail.com We have either communicated in the past, been in the same programs or I have paid a fee from a professional marketing company to acquire your name - that is why you are on this list. Still we comply with all federal legislation regarding email as we provide you with a method to be permanently removed from our mailing list. All remove requests are immediately honored!! To remove your address, please send an email message with the word remove in the subject line to: billy_joseph@hotmail.com!
On Thursday 10 January 2002 04:40 am, Bill Joseph wrote:
Hi Everyone - this is happening as we speak - Awesome opportunity - Please don't pass this up!! Reserve your space now!!! Turn $150 into $8400 over and over! [SKIPP]
Is here moderator to filter this spam in this list? For example, I would not like to receive an advertisement, over my technical ~150 messages daily. :-( Maybe somebody else likes spam? -- Bogdan M.Maryniuck
i think the amount of spam on this list so far has been negligible. as for a moderator, it is hardly feasible to personally moderate a list with this volume on an ongoing basis. you will just have to live with the occasional piece of junk mail. that said, you can normally filter at the mail client level, too, in case 1 spam per week on this list is too much... jens On Thursday, January 10, 2002, at 06:04 , Bogdan M.Maryniuck wrote:
On Thursday 10 January 2002 04:40 am, Bill Joseph wrote:
Hi Everyone - this is happening as we speak - Awesome opportunity - Please don't pass this up!! Reserve your space now!!! Turn $150 into $8400 over and over! [SKIPP]
Is here moderator to filter this spam in this list? For example, I would not like to receive an advertisement, over my technical ~150 messages daily. :-( Maybe somebody else likes spam?
-- Bogdan M.Maryniuck
On Thursday 10 January 2002 08:28 am, Jens Vagelpohl allegedly wrote:
i think the amount of spam on this list so far has been negligible. as for a moderator, it is hardly feasible to personally moderate a list with this volume on an ongoing basis. you will just have to live with the occasional piece of junk mail.
that said, you can normally filter at the mail client level, too, in case 1 spam per week on this list is too much...
jens
Somebody was in the past shipping these off to spamcop. If no one else is, feel free to. /---------------------------------------------------\ Casey Duncan, Sr. Web Developer National Legal Aid and Defender Association c.duncan@nlada.org \---------------------------------------------------/
On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 10:14:25AM -0500, Casey Duncan wrote:
Somebody was in the past shipping these off to spamcop.
I always do. I even wrote a python program for submitting spam: http://spamcop.net/reporter.py Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmann http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/ phd@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 03:04:15PM -0800, Bogdan M.Maryniuck wrote:
On Thursday 10 January 2002 04:40 am, Bill Joseph wrote:
Hi Everyone - this is happening as we speak - Awesome opportunity - Please don't pass this up!! Reserve your space now!!! Turn $150 into $8400 over and over! [SKIPP]
Is here moderator to filter this spam in this list? For example, I would not like to receive an advertisement, over my technical ~150 messages daily. :-( Maybe somebody else likes spam?
I am a moderator on this list, and Mailman (the mailinglist software) catches 90% of all spam sent to this list, as well as virii. I am looking into methods for further reducing the amount that gets through. Moderating *every* message on this list is not practical however. I am not going to click "approve" 150 times a day. In the meantime, feel free to report all spam to spamcop.net. I do, and the more people here do as well, the more successful the service will be. -- Martijn Pieters | Software Engineer mailto:mj@zope.com | Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com/ | Creators of Zope http://www.zope.org/ ---------------------------------------------
On 02-Jan-10 14:41, Martijn Pieters wrote:
I am a moderator on this list, and Mailman (the mailinglist software) catches 90% of all spam sent to this list, as well as virii. I am looking into methods for further reducing the amount that gets through. Moderating *every* message on this list is not practical however. I am not going to click "approve" 150 times a day.
Wouldn't it be OK to allow only subscribed people to post to the list? Gee
Nagy Gabor wrote:
On 02-Jan-10 14:41, Martijn Pieters wrote:
I am a moderator on this list, and Mailman (the mailinglist software) catches 90% of all spam sent to this list, as well as virii. I am looking into methods for further reducing the amount that gets through. Moderating *every* message on this list is not practical however. I am not going to click "approve" 150 times a day.
Wouldn't it be OK to allow only subscribed people to post to the list?
I'm not suscribed to this mailing list, I read it through a news bridge. If only suscribed people can directly post messages I won't participate. jdavid
On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 11:25:50AM +0100, Juan David IbАЯez Palomar wrote:
Wouldn't it be OK to allow only subscribed people to post to the list?
I'm not suscribed to this mailing list, I read it through a news bridge. If only suscribed people can directly post messages I won't participate.
Postgres people solved this long ago. If a user wants to use newsgate, and write to a closed list - he must subscribe to a pseudo-list. That lists just stores registered e-mails. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmann http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/ phd@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
Quoting Nagy Gabor <linux42@freemail.c3.hu>:
Wouldn't it be OK to allow only subscribed people to post to the list? May be create "black list" and just block spammers forewer? :)
-- Microsoft merges technologoies: Windows CE + Windows ME + Windows NT = Windows CEMENT Sincerely yours, Bogdan M.Maryniuck
Nagy Gabor <linux42@freemail.c3.hu> schrieb am 11.01.2002, 10:33:31:
On 02-Jan-10 14:41, Martijn Pieters wrote:
I am a moderator on this list, and Mailman (the mailinglist software) catches 90% of all spam sent to this list, as well as virii. I am looking into methods for further reducing the amount that gets through. Moderating *every* message on this list is not practical however. I am not going to click "approve" 150 times a day.
Wouldn't it be OK to allow only subscribed people to post to the list?
I prefere open lists where everybody kann post. Sometimes you just want to sent one message to the list, sometimes you post from another account. I have an idea how to stop spammers: Only subscribered people can post, if someone who is not on the list wants to post he has to include a magic word in the subject. This way unsubscribed humans can post and spam robots can't. I don't know if mailman can do this. thomas (Sorry if the references header of this mail is wrong, I have to use a webmailer)
* zopestoller <zopestoller@thomas-guettler.de> writes:
Nagy Gabor <linux42@freemail.c3.hu> schrieb am 11.01.2002, 10:33:31:
On 02-Jan-10 14:41, Martijn Pieters wrote:
I am a moderator on this list, and Mailman (the mailinglist software) catches 90% of all spam sent to this list, as well as virii. I am looking into methods for further reducing the amount that gets through. Moderating *every* message on this list is not practical however. I am not going to click "approve" 150 times a day.
Then you're running the wrong MLM. I know, because I'm forced to use it, too: http://mail.socha.net/story/2001/12/5/7642/23321#tocref5 Mailman sucks very big things through very small things. Recent versions of Mailman support CLI interaction, though. If you'd like to risk your mail, that is. Barry, if you're reading this: no offense intended, y'know? :-)
Wouldn't it be OK to allow only subscribed people to post to the list?
I prefere open lists where everybody kann post. Sometimes you just want to sent one message to the list, sometimes you post from another account.
I beg to differ. If your MUA does not allow for changing settings per group/list, it's broken. Gnus or mutt are the tools of choice.
I have an idea how to stop spammers: Only subscribered people can post, if someone who is not on the list wants to post he has to include a magic word in the subject. This way unsubscribed humans can post and spam robots can't.
If Mailman wasn't that utterly broken, one could set up a subscriber-only sublist of an open list. But, eh, it's Mailman. The keyword idea is not new, and it sucks. People not capable of subscribing to a list are also usually not able to insert a keyword into a header. And then you get the "I want to post to $LIST with $CRAP_MUA from $LUSER_ISP and it $BRAINDEAD_ERROR_REPORT". Been there, done that.
I don't know if mailman can do this.
Mailman can do anything. It will hurt a little, though...
Just to make things clear: - Mailman does a fine job of filtering out most email that doesn't belong here. This morning I found 46 messages in the hold queue that were not appropriate and where thus discarded. - We already use a blacklist for spammers. But, in my experience, most spammers do not return, I hardly have any hits on this blacklist. - I am looking into additional MTA level spam filtering. Open Relay spam is already dealt with without locking out legitimate posters. This move is more for non-mailinglist @zope.org and @python.org mail, as we get most spam through there. - This list will not close to non-subscribers, nor will it enforce schemes where you have to subscribe to a shadow-list or other convoluted arrangements, or force you to use a particular mailer. The problem simply isn't big enough to make life for those posters difficult! - As Mailman is maintained by Pythonlabs, I work closely with it's current maintainer on improving it's spam-busting facilities. New versions of Mailman will have features that are geared to making that part of a mailinglist maintainer easier. I see no reason to switch list managers. -- Martijn Pieters | Software Engineer mailto:mj@zope.com | Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com/ | Creators of Zope http://www.zope.org/ ---------------------------------------------
The problem simply isn't big enough to make life for those posters difficult!
This is true, and I'm not bothered about the situation at the moment - however, the volume of spam has increased markedly over the last few months, and I think this may well grow into a problem during the next year. For now, however, I think mailman & zc make a perfectly good job of it. seb
From: seb bacon <seb@jamkit.com>
however, the volume of spam has increased markedly over the last few months, and I think this may well grow into a problem during the next year.
How true! I think part of the problem is sendmail. Running it myself, I'm still not able to get some of the spam control features to work right (like RBL). And I've noticed lately sometimes spammers are able to hijack my sendmail in increasingly evil ways - ever got spam addressed from yourself? In fact, I think I saw a post once to the zope mailing list, of spam, from my address.... how could mailman stop that??
On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 05:57:36PM -0500, marc lindahl wrote:
How true! I think part of the problem is sendmail. Running it myself, I'm still not able to get some of the spam control features to work right (like RBL). And I've noticed lately sometimes spammers are able to hijack my sendmail in increasingly evil ways - ever got spam addressed from yourself? In fact, I think I saw a post once to the zope mailing list, of spam, from my address.... how could mailman stop that??
Generally, spam is malformed, and MTA's try to compensate for unqualified email addresses by filling in their own dowmain to compensate for the lack of qualification. I did get a spam only today that used the same from and to address, BTW. Just a question of marking the slots to be filled in of course, it is all just text.. SPamcop isn't so easily fooled, of course, and will find the culprit easily and efficiently, then informs their ISPs. -- Martijn Pieters | Software Engineer mailto:mj@zope.com | Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com/ | Creators of Zope http://www.zope.org/ ---------------------------------------------
How many posts are generated from addresses outside the subscriber list? Can't we just moderate those? This should only moderately increase moderator workload :^) ----- Original Message ----- From: <zopestoller@thomas-guettler.de> To: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:48 AM Subject: Moderate this list? Was: [Zope] Turn $150 into $8400 over and over!
Nagy Gabor <linux42@freemail.c3.hu> schrieb am 11.01.2002, 10:33:31:
On 02-Jan-10 14:41, Martijn Pieters wrote:
I am a moderator on this list, and Mailman (the mailinglist software) catches 90% of all spam sent to this list, as well as virii. I am looking into methods for further reducing the amount that gets through. Moderating *every* message on this list is not practical however. I am not going to click "approve" 150 times a day.
Wouldn't it be OK to allow only subscribed people to post to the list?
I prefere open lists where everybody kann post. Sometimes you just want to sent one message to the list, sometimes you post from another account.
I have an idea how to stop spammers: Only subscribered people can post, if someone who is not on the list wants to post he has to include a magic word in the subject. This way unsubscribed humans can post and spam robots can't.
I don't know if mailman can do this.
thomas
(Sorry if the references header of this mail is wrong, I have to use a webmailer)
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On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 03:20:31PM -0300, Ricardo L. A. Bánffy wrote:
How many posts are generated from addresses outside the subscriber list?
Can't we just moderate those? This should only moderately increase moderator workload :^)
I like this idea. Mailman cannot do this currently, but I forwarded it to Barry as a feature request, combined with the ability to add senders to the permanently-approved-sender list so I only have to approve outside senders only once. -- Martijn Pieters | Software Engineer mailto:mj@zope.com | Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com/ | Creators of Zope http://www.zope.org/ ---------------------------------------------
On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 12:29:42PM -0500, Martijn Pieters wrote:
On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 03:20:31PM -0300, Ricardo L. A. Bánffy wrote:
How many posts are generated from addresses outside the subscriber list?
Can't we just moderate those? This should only moderately increase moderator workload :^)
I like this idea. Mailman cannot do this currently, but I forwarded it to Barry as a feature request, combined with the ability to add senders to the permanently-approved-sender list so I only have to approve outside senders only once.
Barry must've borrowed Guido's timemachine again, he just told me Mailman 2.1 will support this feature, the code is already there! As soon as 2.1 is released, and lists.zope.org has switched to that version, we will configure the lists to have non-subscribers go through a one-time only moderation. -- Martijn Pieters | Software Engineer mailto:mj@zope.com | Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com/ | Creators of Zope http://www.zope.org/ ---------------------------------------------
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Casey Duncan -
Jens Vagelpohl -
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marc lindahl -
Martijn Pieters -
Nagy Gabor -
Oleg Broytmann -
Ricardo L. A. Bánffy -
Robin S.Socha -
seb bacon -
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