Ahh yes, Glenn "Master of Self-Promotion" Davis has found a cause with which to attach his persona. Glenn got his start at InfiNet, our former majority owner. I remember when he shared a 10x10 office with the other Mac person there. I love the "I'm not asking as Mr. Mega Big-wig, nor as My. Hyper Star, I'm asking as a humble guy that singlehandedly saved the web" part. That paragraph is so pathetic, I can't believe he actually wrote it. IMO opinion, the only cause he is advancing is himself. It's a shame, because browser vendors _do_ need to be beaten into standards compliance and away from bait-and-switch. --Paul

-----Original Message----- From: Michael Bernstein [mailto:mbernstein@profitscape.net] Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 2:38 PM To: zope@zope.org Subject: [Zope] OT: A petition condemning non-standard compliance in IE5

I apologize if for the off-topic nature of this post, but felt it was too important to ignore.

Microsoft has released IE5, which is non-compliant with many of the standards that Microsoft has helped author. As widespread compliance to standards is one of the things that will greatly enhance Zopes success in the marketplace (i.e. WebDAV, XML-RPC), I felt that this issue deserved to be aired here too.

The original statement from the WSP can be found at: http://www.webstandards.org/ie5.txt

Following is an email posted to another list I am on, as I think this sums up the appropriate responses rather well.

Michael Bernstein

-------- Original Message -------- From: "A List Apart" <post@alistapart.com> Subject: A List Apart - Special Announcement To: "Michael Bernstein" <mbernstein@profitscape.net>

Greetings Webmakers.

The following is a special note from our friend Glenn Davis regarding a somewhat urgent and pressing issue. I won't waste time talking about it, as the following explains it all quite well. I hope everyone finds it in them to support the cause.

Thanks.

-Brian M. Platz, ALA Co-Moderator

------ Greetings! Since 1993 I've done my best to show everyone the good on the web and to help anyone who wanted it gain the knowledge they needed to create that good. Today I'm asking for your help. I'm not asking not as Glenn Davis, CTO of Project Cool, and not as Glenn Davis, cofounder of The Web Standards Project. I'm asking as Glenn Davis, a man who, for the past six years has worked to make the web a better place for everyone. Recently Microsoft released their 5.0 browser and after all this time there is still not 100% support for the standards that make web development easier. Standards that Microsoft helped create. Below are three simple letters. Very to the point letters that ask one very simple question. I'm hoping that you'll pick just one of those letters and use it to ask Microsoft the very simple question within. If you would copy just one of those letters into an email and send that email to wasp@microsoft.com I would very much appreciate it. This email address is one that Microsoft set up for email about standards. I'm also asking that you pass this email along to anyone else who has ever tried to make a webpage. My sincerest thanks for the help you provide.

Sincerely and simply, Glenn Davis

------------------ CSS-1 Letter--------

To: wasp@microsoft.com

Dear Microsoft: As a web developer who spends far too much time working around browser incompatabilities, I need to know when you will offer full support for CSS-1 in your Internet Explorer browser. Could you please respond with the date when I might expect this? If you don't plan to ever support 100% of this standard, then please let me know that also. I have my future to consider. I'm not asking for long excuses or explanations from you. I'd prefer that you respond with either the date on which that support will occur or the word "never." Sincerely, (Your name here) (Your company name here)

DOM Letter--------------

To: wasp@microsoft.com

Dear Microsoft: As a web developer who spends far too much time working around browser incompatabilities, I need to know when you will offer full support for the W3C DOM in your Internet Explorer browser. Please let me know when that will happen. A simple date will suffice for a response. If you don't plan to ever support 100% of this standard, then please let me know that also. I have my future to consider. I'm not asking for long excuses or explanations from you. I'd prefer that you respond with either the date on which that support will occur or the word "never."

Sincerely, (Your name here) (Your company name here)

HTML 4.0 Letter--------------------

To: wasp@microsoft.com

Dear Microsoft: As a web developer who spends far too much time working around browser incompatabilities, I need to know when you will offer full support for HTML 4.0 in your Internet Explorer browser. On what date will this event occur? If you don't plan to ever support 100% of this standard, then please let me know that also. I have my future to consider. I'm not asking for long excuses or explanations from you. I'd prefer that you respond with either the date on which that support will occur or the word "never."

Sincerely, (Your name here) (Your company name here)

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