Hi, I am thinking of starting my own company providing web solutions - portal, Content Management, etc... Target market would be SME and enterprise that are cost-concious. In this over-crowded market, every other company seems to be able to offer anything under the sun. And a lot are choosing J2EE over here in South East Asia. To differentiate, I have to select a platform/solution that offers the competitive advantage such as rapid prototyping, fast development, flexibility to cater for changes, and cost-effective. All these which are lacking from my experience with the J2EE vendors so far... Which lead me to Zope - will it be able to provide these features? I am interested in Zope and will start to try it out soon. I'm impressed by the built-in GUI management interface. Can it fulfil the following enterprise demand too? - High-Availability and Load Balancing (ZEO?) - Support for creating user groups by functions, and assigning ACL, FAL (Feature Access List) to users - Integration of User Accounts authentication with NT Domain/LDAP/Netware etc. - Creating Workflows based on business logic - Report generation tools Regards, Firestar __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com
At 04:04 AM 7/23/02, Fires Star wrote:
Hi, I am thinking of starting my own company providing web solutions - portal, Content Management, etc... Target market would be SME and enterprise that are cost-concious.
In this over-crowded market, every other company seems to be able to offer anything under the sun. And a lot are choosing J2EE over here in South East Asia.
To differentiate, I have to select a platform/solution that offers the competitive advantage such as rapid prototyping, fast development, flexibility to cater for changes, and cost-effective. All these which are lacking from my experience with the J2EE vendors so far... Which lead me to Zope - will it be able to provide these features?
I am interested in Zope and will start to try it out soon. I'm impressed by the built-in GUI management interface. Can it fulfil the following enterprise demand too? - High-Availability and Load Balancing (ZEO?)
Yes. see http://www.zope.org/About for an example :-)
- Support for creating user groups by functions, and assigning ACL, FAL (Feature Access List) to users
Zope's native support save you a LOT of coding time here. see http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ZopeBook/Security.stx
- Integration of User Accounts authentication with NT Domain/LDAP/Netware etc.
Also see: http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ZopeBook/Security.stx and: http://www.zope.org/Products/user_management
- Creating Workflows based on business logic
See: http://www.zope.com/Demos/cm3 for a demo (quicktime or flash)
- Report generation tools
?? Dynamic SQL + presentation templates has given me all the reports I'll ever need :-)
Regards, Firestar
Two other notes: The Zope community is awesome, and generally very helpful. :-) I've seen experienced Java developers working as Zope newbies complete projects 5-10 times faster using Zope. Of course they are still Java geeks, and want to use Java for their next project... Oh well... Adam
Hi Adam, thanks for your reply and pointers. Very informative! To move into enterprise market, I think a lot of effort is required to fight the 'J2EE hype'. Most of the companies now would like to hear 'J2EE-compliant' solutions being used by the vendor. They would like an 'open standard' that their future purchases can work with. A non-j2ee solutions provider would need to convince them otherwise (e.g. thru cost-benefit analysis) Another requirement would be to provide Single Sign-on portal feature to multiple applications, including external apps in other platform (Java, Perl, etc). There will be a need for APIs in the solution to allows external apps to call and authenticate with. Is this currently available in zope? --- Adam Manock <abmanock@earthlink.net> wrote:
At 04:04 AM 7/23/02, Fires Star wrote:
Hi, I am thinking of starting my own company providing web solutions - portal, Content Management, etc... Target market would be SME and enterprise that are cost-concious.
In this over-crowded market, every other company seems to be able to offer anything under the sun. And a lot are choosing J2EE over here in South East Asia.
To differentiate, I have to select a platform/solution that offers the competitive advantage such as rapid prototyping, fast development, flexibility to cater for changes, and cost-effective. All these which are lacking from my experience with the J2EE vendors so far... Which lead me to Zope - will it be able to provide these features?
I am interested in Zope and will start to try it out soon. I'm impressed by the built-in GUI management interface. Can it fulfil the following enterprise demand too? - High-Availability and Load Balancing (ZEO?)
Yes. see http://www.zope.org/About for an example :-)
- Support for creating user groups by functions, and assigning ACL, FAL (Feature Access List) to users
Zope's native support save you a LOT of coding time here.
see
http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ZopeBook/Security.stx
- Integration of User Accounts authentication with NT Domain/LDAP/Netware etc.
Also see:
http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ZopeBook/Security.stx
and: http://www.zope.org/Products/user_management
- Creating Workflows based on business logic
See: http://www.zope.com/Demos/cm3 for a demo (quicktime or flash)
- Report generation tools
??
Dynamic SQL + presentation templates has given me all the reports I'll ever need :-)
Regards, Firestar
Two other notes:
The Zope community is awesome, and generally very helpful. :-)
I've seen experienced Java developers working as Zope newbies complete projects 5-10 times faster using Zope. Of course they are still Java geeks, and want to use Java for their next project... Oh well...
Adam
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To move into enterprise market, I think a lot of effort is required to fight the 'J2EE hype'. Most of the companies now would like to hear 'J2EE-compliant' solutions being used by the vendor. They would like an 'open standard' that their future purchases can work with. A non-j2ee solutions provider would need to convince them otherwise (e.g. thru cost-benefit analysis)
I'm not sure much of this has been done formally. There are a few comparisons of Zope with other application servers "floating around" on the Internet. But the responsibility for a "polished" buzzword-compliant cost-benefit analysis would probably fall to you (as the vendor).
Another requirement would be to provide Single Sign-on portal feature to multiple applications, including external apps in other platform (Java, Perl, etc). There will be a need for APIs in the solution to allows external apps to call and authenticate with. Is this currently available in zope?
Yes. Zope has an extensible user authentication, authorization, and management API. For examples of how this can be leveraged, see the LDAPUserFolder and ExtUserFolder products. External apps can communicate with Zope through HTTP or XML-RPC for this purpose. - C
- Report generation tools
reportlab. 'nuff said. (well actually there are some things you need to be careful of, getting it to work properly with zope, but this has been done; check archives of this list and reportlab-users list.) -- Paul Winkler home: http://www.slinkp.com "Muppet Labs, where the future is made - today!"
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