Well.. If the item you're editing is a DTMLmethod , it will give you the bobobase_mod_time of it's container.. Methods don't have properties of their own.. :-) on or about, Friday, April 05, 2002, we have reason to believe that mtobindougan wrote something along the lines of : m> Can anyone explain why I get these strange results: m> ZopeTime = <dtml-var ZopeTime><br> m> gives : m> ZopeTime = 2002/04/05 10:02:41.694 GMT+2 m> and Bobobase_modification_time = <dtml-var bobobase_modification_time> m> gives m> Bobobase_modification_time = 2002/04/04 16:39:58.2995 GMT+2 m> when at the time of editing we were effectively at the time given by m> ZopeTime, so in my mind both should be the same? m> NB Our time zone is France (GMT + 2) -- Geir Bækholt web-developer geirh@funcom.com funcom oslo | webdev-team