Hi, As per Jim's non-related email regarding Zope installs, I class myself as uber-idiot... Im trying to get FTDraw running, and YES, I can read... I obtained all of the dependant modules.... Fine. Put them all in the /bin/something directory. Start Zope in debug mode. Get: ERROR: Cannot find Image module... Hmm... I thought I covered that. Okay, maybe it cant find it... Lets try moving it to the /lib/python/products directory... ERROR: Cannot find PIL.Image module Grrr.... Fine... At least the error message is different... Progress by Old Bell's standard. Lets check it out.. Um.... /lib/python/Products/PIL/Image.py.... Duh... can the compiler read or has the third bottle of wine FUBAR'd me? Guess its time to goto bed. Perhaps while Im sleeping in the rainy Netherlands, some of my hardowrking American compatriots still at their desks can tell me how stupid I am that I missed one small factor like 'the documentation doesnt account that you are on 2.3.0 Zope and you need to do.....' KONK! ZzzzZZZzzzzzzz, Paz