Zope intranets: hardware requirements
Hi all, In order to participate in Zope proliferation, I am looking for facts and numbers about the hardware requirements of a Zope/CMF(/Postgres) platform (because this is the first question after you've managed to convince the client of how Zope is great). So, experienced zopers, which hardware do you use or recommend to your clients to host intranet/extranet sites in a decent way ? I am particularly interested in sites hosting few users (<200) and many docs... Btw, where is the Hardware page on www.zope.org ? I remember of it, but can't find it nowhere today. Best regards, -- Nicolas Romero, ADP3i <http://www.adp3i.fr>
Nicolas Romero writes:
... So, experienced zopers, which hardware do you use or recommend to your clients to host intranet/extranet sites in a decent way ?
I am particularly interested in sites hosting few users (<200) and many docs... A modern (i.e. fairly fast) PC with lots of RAM (e.g. 512 MB) will do nicely; single processor preferred.
Dieter
Am 04.11.2002, 21:31 Uhr schräb Dieter Maurer <dieter@handshake.de>:
A modern (i.e. fairly fast) PC with lots of RAM (e.g. 512 MB) will do nicely; single processor preferred.
I second that. Although I'd rather throw more RAM at it, go for as much as you can get is my suggestion. We're currently upgrading from 512MB to 2GB for a site that has only a few (<30) users editing content but a fair number of external hits (around 2.700.000). We're using Apache in front of Squid in front of Zope to implement virtual hosts and caching wherever possible btw. Jo. -- Internetmanufaktur Jo Meder ---------------------- Berlin, Germany http://www.meder.de/ ------------------- fon: ++49-30-417 17 63 33 Kollwitzstr. 75 ------------------------ fax: ++49-30-417 17 63 45 10435 Berlin --------------------------- mob: ++49-170- 2 98 89 97 Public GnuPG-Key ---------- http://www.meder.de/keys/jo-pubkey.txt
I know this has been treated before, but as much as I can see, people use the three ways with apparent success. Within the context that ZC is funding Squid to implement ESI, would any member of the community try a theoretical resume (not a how-to) of the issues regarding using Squid to cache Zope? Which one of the three combinations is the best? Ausum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Meder" <jo@meder.de>
(...) We're using Apache in front of Squid in front of Zope to implement virtual hosts and caching wherever possible btw.
Jo.
To make it short: - use Apache+Zope if you have a smaller website and you don't like to hurt your brain about the 1000 configuration options of Squid. - use Squid-Zope if you have a high volume website and have some experiences with Squid. Apache offers less related configuration options than you have fingers at your hand. Squid has more than a hundred. -> Apache+Zope=easy to use, easy to setup -> Squid+Zope=requires more work and you should know what you're doing. -aj --On Dienstag, 5. November 2002 01:24 -0500 Ausum Studio <ausum_studio@hotmail.com> wrote:
I know this has been treated before, but as much as I can see, people use the three ways with apparent success. Within the context that ZC is funding Squid to implement ESI, would any member of the community try a theoretical resume (not a how-to) of the issues regarding using Squid to cache Zope? Which one of the three combinations is the best?
Ausum
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Meder" <jo@meder.de>
(...) We're using Apache in front of Squid in front of Zope to implement virtual hosts and caching wherever possible btw.
Jo.
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Ausum Studio writes:
I know this has been treated before, but as much as I can see, people use the three ways with apparent success. Within the context that ZC is funding Squid to implement ESI, would any member of the community try a theoretical resume (not a how-to) of the issues regarding using Squid to cache Zope? Which one of the three combinations is the best? I would go for Squid+Zope only. Why use an additional component (Apache), when it is not necessary?
Dieter
Le mar 05/11/2002 à 00:58, Jo Meder a écrit :
Am 04.11.2002, 21:31 Uhr schräb Dieter Maurer <dieter@handshake.de>:
A modern (i.e. fairly fast) PC with lots of RAM (e.g. 512 MB) will do nicely; single processor preferred.
I second that. Although I'd rather throw more RAM at it, go for as much as you can get is my suggestion. We're currently upgrading from 512MB to 2GB for a site that has only a few (<30) users editing content but a fair number of external hits (around 2.700.000)
2.700.000 hits by day, month ??? . We're using Apache in
front of Squid in front of Zope to implement virtual hosts and caching wherever possible btw.
Jo.
-- Internetmanufaktur Jo Meder ---------------------- Berlin, Germany http://www.meder.de/ ------------------- fon: ++49-30-417 17 63 33 Kollwitzstr. 75 ------------------------ fax: ++49-30-417 17 63 45 10435 Berlin --------------------------- mob: ++49-170- 2 98 89 97 Public GnuPG-Key ---------- http://www.meder.de/keys/jo-pubkey.txt
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Am 05.11.2002, 09:55 Uhr schreb christof.robert <christof.robert@wanadoo.fr>:
2.700.000 hits by day, month ???
Ah, sorry, you're right. This small AMD-800MHz machine serves 2.700.000 hits per month of Zopish content and some more of misc static/CGI-stuff. 2.7 million a day would be a major breakthrough in Zoptimization I suppose. Jo. -- Internetmanufaktur Jo Meder ---------------------- Berlin, Germany http://www.meder.de/ ------------------- fon: ++49-30-417 17 63 33 Kollwitzstr. 75 ------------------------ fax: ++49-30-417 17 63 45 10435 Berlin --------------------------- mob: ++49-170- 2 98 89 97 Public GnuPG-Key ---------- http://www.meder.de/keys/jo-pubkey.txt
Dieter Maurer wrote:
Nicolas Romero writes:
... So, experienced zopers, which hardware do you use or recommend to your clients to host intranet/extranet sites in a decent way ?
I am particularly interested in sites hosting few users (<200) and many docs... A modern (i.e. fairly fast) PC with lots of RAM (e.g. 512 MB) will do nicely; single processor preferred.
oups, why do you preferre single processor ?? I thought bi-cpu is better... specially if you have a database server, a mail server, a zope server, like all of that processes can be spread over two cpus. can you explain more about your choice ? thanx, cyrille
Dieter
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--On 05 November 2002 12:30 +0100 cyrille <cyrilleml@kbuilder.net> wrote:
Dieter Maurer wrote:
Nicolas Romero writes:
... So, experienced zopers, which hardware do you use or recommend to your clients to host intranet/extranet sites in a decent way ?
I am particularly interested in sites hosting few users (<200) and many docs... A modern (i.e. fairly fast) PC with lots of RAM (e.g. 512 MB) will do nicely; single processor preferred.
oups, why do you preferre single processor ?? I thought bi-cpu is better... specially if you have a database server, a mail server, a zope server, like all of that processes can be spread over two cpus.
can you explain more about your choice ?
<http://www.zope.org/Members/glpb/solaris/multiproc> may help. Paul -- The Library, Tyndall Avenue, Univ. of Bristol, Bristol, BS8 1TJ, UK E-mail: paul.browning@bristol.ac.uk URL: http://www.bris.ac.uk/
I seems that it is a problem with Python/FreeBSD I get error code 11 - google tells me that it could be the default stack size for threads on FreeBSD (64 K) which is to small for Python to run Zope. \Oliver
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