This goes to show that there are many ways to do cool things in Zope. Everybody has their own way of doing something! Chris Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:R.Barrett@ftel.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 7:08 AM To: Chris Withers Cc: zope@zope.org Subject: Re: [Zope] Custom 404 html message At 11:45 19/02/2002 +0000, Chris Withers wrote:

Richard Barrett wrote:

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I take it this is the ZPT whose description and examples of use feature so strongly in all of the books on Zope that have been published to date.

Well look, if you wanna make an unmaintainable mess that comes back to bite you next time your employer asks you for something on short notice, then stick with DTML, I'm just trying to help you out.

How do you reach the conclusion that editing either the sole copy of standard_error_message in the server tree or positioning an edited version of standard_error_message at a strategic point in the server tree to affect error handling below it is creating the unmaintainable mess you are talking about? If that is the case then I suspect there are a lot bigger problems extant on most Zope servers. If DTML is such a disaster then a whole lot of people are a long way along the path to oblivion by now. Hell of a time to tell us it was all a big mistake.

No, it doesn't feature in any paper books currently published (well, that's actually not true, it's in at least one or two of the Zope books I've seen) but that's 'cos they were all written about 6 months ago.

The Zope Book - no mention Zope web application construction kit by Brockman et al - no mention Zope ... - Spicklemire et all - has a short description which is sufficient to highlight the learning curve to adopt "These powerful and promising technologies ..."

It does have plenty of examples (including Peter's guide to turning common DTML idioms into ZPT) and the language reference in the wiki is all I've needed.

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What was that you said? Oh, you mean that I have to spend _all_ my time keeping abreast of where Zope is going and all of its great new developments and shouldn't be doing anything else.

It's not like I suggested you should be using Zope 3 or something. If you wanna be sarcy, then fine, but don't expect much help from people who aren't getting paid to answer questions on this list in future.

I doubt anybody posting to this list is getting paid for it. If what I say in a post is wrong then I suggest you EXPLAIN why. Remember you chose to express a value judgement with your *vomit* comment, not offer a fact. Hell I'll happily unsubscribe myself than get that sort of "help". The alternative you offered involved writing a python script and a page template and maybe doing a Zope upgrade as the alternative to using some simple DTML. The new orthodoxy may say that is better but I'm some way from being convinced of it. _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )