RE: [Zope] Could we migrate Zope email to a news group?
[I accidentally sent this directly to the poster first. If I could make a suggestion: Maybe the list admin could have the list output a correct Reply-To field. That would be good.] I suggest a dual news/list solution, which has been successfully (at least according to Mr. Udell) deployed by Byte and others. By this I mean a new server which replicates to the mailing list, and a mailing list that replicates to the news server. It works, and gives you pretty much the best of both worlds. Alexander Staubo http://www.mop.no/~alex/ mailto:redhand@mop.no
-----Original Message----- From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Mike Pelletier Sent: 5. mai 1999 18:24 To: Paul Jackson Cc: zope@zope.org Subject: Re: [Zope] Could we migrate Zope email to a news group?
On Wed, 5 May 1999, Paul Jackson wrote:
If "urgent", what I see on these lists is no more time critical than what happens on other popular news groups -- take the python news group as an example, and anyway, my experience with USENET is that it isn't that much slower than email.
...if it ever arrives at all. That's my biggest problem with using USENET. Plus, some people don't have access to a NNTP server, and if they do, it may not carry our group. It may only poll a few times a day. It may have a 24 hour expire. Etc, etc. USENET is notoriously unreliable.
With a 'private' news server, the articles never have to expire (if you're only hosting a handfull of text-only newsgroups, you can afford to do that) so they are always available. They never get lost in propagation. And you still get all the benifits of the news format. If you're really eager to get a comp.sys.zope, great, but I'd still like to have our own server for it.
By private, I don't mean restricted, of course. It's still publicly available, but it isn't connected to USENET.
Mike.
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In article <B059671903C6D211A0D500C0F0301C7904FAAF@KUBRICK>, Alexander Staubo <alex@mop.no> wrote:
[I accidentally sent this directly to the poster first. If I could make a suggestion: Maybe the list admin could have the list output a correct Reply-To field. That would be good.]
Please see http://garcon.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
I suggest a dual news/list solution, which has been successfully (at least according to Mr. Udell) deployed by Byte and others.
By this I mean a new server which replicates to the mailing list, and a mailing list that replicates to the news server.
It works, and gives you pretty much the best of both worlds.
Indeed. I'm reading the zope.misc newsgroup in trn right now :-)
In article <Pine.LNX.4.10.9905051428420.5408-100000@elsinore.NMSU.Edu>, Anthony Joseph Seward <seward@hplyot.obspm.fr> wrote:
On Wed, 5 May 1999, Ty Sarna wrote:
Indeed. I'm reading the zope.misc newsgroup in trn right now :-)
Where is the news server?
nntp.endicor.com, which is not publically accessible. It's run with my own mail<-->news gateway software (written in Python, naturally). I've been reading mailing lists this way for years now, and it's really fantastic. I'd be happy to help someone who wants to set up a publicly accessible server.
Ty Sarna wrote:
In article <B059671903C6D211A0D500C0F0301C7904FAAF@KUBRICK>, Alexander Staubo <alex@mop.no> wrote:
[I accidentally sent this directly to the poster first. If I could make a suggestion: Maybe the list admin could have the list output a correct Reply-To field. That would be good.]
Please see http://garcon.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
Very interesting! I didn't really know what "Reply to All" did before, very easy.
Indeed. I'm reading the zope.misc newsgroup in trn right now :-)
Huh? I like the idea. I love dejanews. I use my-dejanews as my news reader. Everyone has access to that, right? It would be great for looking back for postings. The search engine for this list has never worked for me. I actually set up another mail account for Zope so that I could read the list when I want and archive the mail myself. News would be great (if it gets on Dejanews). Phil A
In article <3730ABAC.847228F@regalint.com>, Philip Aylesworth <zopelist@regalint.com> wrote:
Indeed. I'm reading the zope.misc newsgroup in trn right now :-)
Huh?
I already run a local news<-->mail gateway for the zope (and many other) mailing lists.
I like the idea. I love dejanews. I use my-dejanews as my news reader. Everyone has access to that, right? It would be great for looking back for postings. The search engine for this list has never worked for me. I actually set up another mail account for Zope so that I could read the list when I want and archive the mail myself. News would be great (if it gets on Dejanews).
In order to be archived on Dejanews, I believe it would have to be distributed along with the rest of USENET. The problem with this is that it opens the forum up to spamming, off-topic threads, and all sorts of other junk. If there was a comp.infosystems.zope, or what have you, the volume would probably rise tenfold overnight, with most of it being completely irrelevant. I think the better approach is a semi-private "zope" hierarchy read from a specific server, much like microsoft.*, netscape.public.*, pilot.*, symantec.*, borland.*, autodesk.*, etc, etc. Many newsreaders (especially those in web browsers) can be configured for multiple servers. For those that can't (like trn), something like nntpcache (www.nntpcache.org) will do the trick.
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