From: Chris Withers [mailto:chrisw@nipltd.com]

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problem. Zope is more closed in that regard. Well anyways when you know enough about Zope to make a hack, you probably also know how to do it the right way.

Sadly, that's true, but changing I think...

Oh don't misunderstand me. I am just about getting over the "Zope wall" and it has been well worth the climb. Everything is so much faster than in any other system I program in. OK a hitcounter I could probably do faster in php or asp, but that's not really the problems I try to solve. For real world web application I have yeat to see anything beat Zope/Python. You just got to accept to do it the "Zope way" or you will be in a world of pain. :-) People like me who has used asp, php etc. for years has better forget what we know when starting on Zope, and then take it 1 step at a time. Sometimes in the process I have been so tired of Zope and tried to think out a smarter way to do things and then after having a heureka moment when I get a brilliant idea, I have nearly allways thought a little bit harder about it and discovered that Zope usually does it that way allready. So learn to live with the quirks and Just Do It. Regards Max (Zope on)