POLL: Preferred browser?
Greetings, Look, I don't want to start any holy wars, just to get a head count, more or less. But what are peoples preferred browsers for ZOPE development? Until now, I've been using Netscape, whilst desperately searching for some replacement that didn't haemorhage memory. I think I've even managed to narrow down which part of NS is losing the memory (it's the edit box, which is why it seems to happen quicker when working with ZOPE). However, in my searches I've yet to find ANYTHING under Linux that comes close to the functionality of NS. As I said... I don't want advocacy here, simply name and version, and perhaps a quick rundown of the reason(s) you chose it over others. -- Have a better one, Curtis. <dtml-var standard_work_disclaimer>
Look, I don't want to start any holy wars, just to get a head count, more or less. But what are peoples preferred browsers for ZOPE development?
I am on windows and use IE 5. However, when NS 6 (mozilla) comes out I am switching over. I already use mozilla for some stuff. Take a look at http://www.zope.org/Resources/Mozilla/Projects/MozillaOME/Mockups
On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Curtis Maloney wrote:
Until now, I've been using Netscape, whilst desperately searching for some replacement that didn't haemorhage memory. I think I've even managed to narrow down which part of NS is losing the memory (it's the edit box, which is why it seems to happen quicker when working with ZOPE).
NS (4.72) goes up to I guess 40 MB or so in worst case here. Just restart it every day and it should be fine. Also, RAM is cheap (ok not as cheap as it used to be a year ago, but anyway), so make sure you have 128 MB of ram or more in your machine.
However, in my searches I've yet to find ANYTHING under Linux that comes close to the functionality of NS.
Mozilla is way cool, but it's still alpha so use at your own risk. I found it is almost, but not quite, ready for real use. -- "Fool me seven times, shame on you. Fool me eight or more times, shame on me." -- Amy
On Mon, 06 Mar 2000, Nils Jeppe wrote:
On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Curtis Maloney wrote:
Until now, I've been using Netscape, whilst desperately searching for some replacement that didn't haemorhage memory. I think I've even managed to narrow down which part of NS is losing the memory (it's the edit box, which is why it seems to happen quicker when working with ZOPE).
NS (4.72) goes up to I guess 40 MB or so in worst case here. Just restart it every day and it should be fine. Also, RAM is cheap (ok not as cheap as it used to be a year ago, but anyway), so make sure you have 128 MB of ram or more in your machine.
Yesterday I had to restart NS no fewer than 5 times, to prevent the 'swap-to-death' situation. I have 96M in my machine, and i've been careful to eliminate all extraneous tasks to reduce memory usage. Yes, memory is cheap, but to get this box to 96M (from the original 32) took quite some wrangling, since it seems ordering more RAM here can have at least an 8 day lead time, amongst other things. As a programmer myself (ZOPE is like a holiday :) I know that memory leaks can be easy to code, and tiresome to track. But in an application as large as Netscape, I would hope for slightly tighter quality controls, and a little more coding discipline. There are some fairly simple guidelines you can follow to write "zero resource loss" programs. </rant>
However, in my searches I've yet to find ANYTHING under Linux that comes close to the functionality of NS.
Mozilla is way cool, but it's still alpha so use at your own risk. I found it is almost, but not quite, ready for real use.
Yes, I looked into Mozilla yesterday. However, I discovered it will ONLY work with the GTK library. Now, whilst I have nothing against the GTK lib, I also don't have ANY other apps using it. Oh well... -- Have a better one, Curtis. <dtml-var standard_work_disclaimer>
on Monday, March 06, 2000 Curtis Maloney wrote : CM> Greetings, CM> Look, I don't want to start any holy wars, just to get a head count, more or CM> less. But what are peoples preferred browsers for ZOPE development? CM> Until now, I've been using Netscape, whilst desperately searching for some CM> replacement that didn't haemorhage memory. I think I've even managed to narrow CM> down which part of NS is losing the memory (it's the edit box, which is why it CM> seems to happen quicker when working with ZOPE). CM> However, in my searches I've yet to find ANYTHING under Linux that comes close CM> to the functionality of NS. CM> As I said... I don't want advocacy here, simply name and version, and perhaps CM> a quick rundown of the reason(s) you chose it over others. on win2k i used to use InternetExplorer 5 , but it is incredibly annoying when the backspace-key is also the hotkey for 'back'; i guess you can see what problems might arise from this when you accidentally unselect the textfieds when deleting text, and press backspace a couple of times and end up 3 pages back in history.. I have found Opera 3.6 to be by far the best browser for zope-management. It is quick, lightweight, and usable with full keyboard-access, but it costs money, and allegedly the linux-version stinks (haven't tested it myself) -- Geir B Hansen web-developer/designer geirh@funcom.com http://www.funcom.com
IE5, because it I find it speadier and more stable than NS (not much thou). IE4 and 5 does follow w3c spec more concistent och logicaly than NS, thou, and that's the main reason I don't like NS much at all. //Johan
-----Original Message----- From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Curtis Maloney Sent: den 6 mars 2000 04:42 To: zope@zope.org Subject: [Zope] POLL: Preferred browser?
Greetings,
Look, I don't want to start any holy wars, just to get a head count, more or less. But what are peoples preferred browsers for ZOPE development?
Until now, I've been using Netscape, whilst desperately searching for some replacement that didn't haemorhage memory. I think I've even managed to narrow down which part of NS is losing the memory (it's the edit box, which is why it seems to happen quicker when working with ZOPE).
However, in my searches I've yet to find ANYTHING under Linux that comes close to the functionality of NS.
As I said... I don't want advocacy here, simply name and version, and perhaps a quick rundown of the reason(s) you chose it over others.
-- Have a better one, Curtis.
<dtml-var standard_work_disclaimer>
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But what are peoples preferred browsers for ZOPE development?
I use IE5 on Win98 and NS4.7 on an old LinuxPPC box. No problems here with Netscape running away though, I leave it running days at a time. Netscape on NT/98 frequently runs into authentication problems with our Zope install (using mod_proxy and ZServer) and sits there flickering the status bar forever, whereas IE5 doesn't do that, it pops up the password dialog when confused. IE does occasionally crash in the management screens (never any other time), and I can't figure out why. Julian. _____________________________________ Julian Melville (jmelvill@scu.edu.au) http://multimedia.scu.edu.au/~jmelvill/ School of Multimedia & Information Technology Southern Cross University ASCILITE 2000 is at Southern Cross University! http://multimedia.scu.edu.au/ascilite2000/
From: "Julian Melville" <jmelvill@scu.edu.au>
Netscape on NT/98 frequently runs into authentication problems with our Zope install (using mod_proxy and ZServer) and sits there flickering the status bar forever, whereas IE5 doesn't do that, it pops up the password dialog when confused. IE does occasionally crash in the management screens (never any other time), and I can't figure out why.
Then again, Windows crashes occasioanlly without you ever knowing why, so that's normal. Martijn Pieters | Software Engineer mailto:mj@digicool.com | Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com/ | Creators of Zope http://www.zope.org/ | The Open Source Web Application Server ---------------------------------------------
Curtis Maloney wrote:
In light of this POLL, I was inspired to cobble together the environment I use and release it on the Zope site. I build some Python code which allows me to traverse the Folders in Zope via Medusa FTP and use my own editor to handle the DTML. I basically just view the site in Netscape and use this.. uh.. ZopeEDIT thing to handle the DTML. I tried the emacs ftp way, but found emacs to be too big and ugly for me. Editing in Netscape is a nightmare because I'm so used to my key combos in my editor. I kept deleting stuff. Now I can take advantage of all the macros I have built for my editor and syntax highlighting too. BTW, I'm running this on Linux but the thing is written in Python so it should be portable. You can check out the product at http://www.zope.org/Members/jimbag/ZopeEDIT/ cheers jb
Greetings,
Look, I don't want to start any holy wars, just to get a head count, more or less. But what are peoples preferred browsers for ZOPE development?
Until now, I've been using Netscape, whilst desperately searching for some replacement that didn't haemorhage memory. I think I've even managed to narrow down which part of NS is losing the memory (it's the edit box, which is why it seems to happen quicker when working with ZOPE).
However, in my searches I've yet to find ANYTHING under Linux that comes close to the functionality of NS.
As I said... I don't want advocacy here, simply name and version, and perhaps a quick rundown of the reason(s) you chose it over others.
-- Have a better one, Curtis.
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participants (8)
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Curtis Maloney -
Geir B Hansen -
JB -
Johan Carlsson -
Julian Melville -
Martijn Pieters -
Nick Henderson -
Nils Jeppe