consultitive process and have some focus on what is really trying to be achieved. I aggree that the changes to Zope have been way to slow but then again Zope is going in 5 directions at once which is not a good idea esp if none of those ways work togeather.

Too slow? I'm having enough trouble keeping up with the changes the way it is. I suspect that what is too slow is changes in the direction *you* want. As for me, I am very happy with the speed at which DC implements change. Especially the speed at which they come out with security fixes.