Hi, I'm considering using Zope as the development tool for my next web project. However, I read from a recent benchmark test (from Qube, i think) that Zope(running thru Zserver?) is much SLOWER than Apache and AOLserver. Is that true? To all Zope users and 'guru's, what is yr experience using Zope? regards, firestar ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup
On Thu, 06 Jul 2000, Firestar wrote:
Hi,
I'm considering using Zope as the development tool for my next web project. However, I read from a recent benchmark test (from Qube, i think) that Zope(running thru Zserver?) is much SLOWER than Apache and AOLserver. Is that true? To all Zope users and 'guru's, what is yr experience using Zope?
Absolutely. Apache is many times faster than Zope. (Don't know much about AOLserver, but anything with AOL..... :) However, Apache can't do squat compared with Zope when it comes to dynamic content. So, if you want to server static content, fast.... use apache. If you want to server dynamic content, use Zope. If you want to speed up your dynamic content, check the Zope HOWTOs, especially the ones detailing using Squit in HTTP Accelerator mode.
regards, firestar
Have a better one, Curtis Maloney. <dtml-var standard_work_disclaimer>
maybe if we all share "optimum" hardware configuration to improve performance+ -where is your server "hosted" as this is vital(obviously:)) to speed/performance -maybe we could discuss network services/hoster_performance? michael drawingincode
-maybe we could discuss network services/hoster_performance?
This is more of a problem for most people. One evening whilst bored we calculated that Zope could happily serve enough people to fill up our pipe... so the bottle neck is our connection. Mind you we'd had a beer or two so calculations could be flawed.
michael drawingincode
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-maybe we could discuss network services/hoster_performance?
This is more of a problem for most people. One evening whilst bored we calculated that Zope could happily serve enough people to fill up our pipe... so the bottle neck is our connection.
Mind you we'd had a beer or two so calculations could be flawed.
That sounds about right (with no idea what size pipe you have ;). I also was worried about the speed of Zope however after doing the calculations, I figured our current Zope server can fill the pipe we have twice so it is definately a bandwidth problem. (And I was sober when doing the calculations ;) Benno
Firestar wrote:
Hi,
I'm considering using Zope as the development tool for my next web project. However, I read from a recent benchmark test (from Qube, i think) that Zope(running thru Zserver?) is much SLOWER than Apache and AOLserver. Is that true? To all Zope users and 'guru's, what is yr experience using Zope?
Define slow. Slow compared to what? Doing what? That's a ig difference between Zope and Apache and AOLServer. they don't _do_ the stuff that Zope does. It's like comparing a Corvette and a v10 Dodge RAM. id the Dodge 'slow'? When compared to the vette. But does the vette do any heavy hauling? Can it tow a boat? A Trailer? Will it haul the kids and the dog up througt the hills? Apache does little other than serve stati files, and take output from cgis (or modules, same _basic_ concept). Zope actually does the work. For some things Zope is appropriate, and where it is, it outperforms (IME) Apache. For others, like serving static content, it is slowER than apache. of course, slow is all relative. I have a couple zope Servers cranking out ~80 requests per second. Is that slow? ;) That's ~6 Million requests/day. Cut it in half, for more complicated tasks, and still moving along at a good clip. What's better, try Apache doing the same things. Does your next project invlove more than just static files sitting on a hard drive? Chances are, you'll be better off with Zope.... Speed and Bencmarks are irrelevant when it comes to real-world performance. :) -- "Linux: the operating system with a CLUE... Command Line User Environment". seen in a posting on comp.software.testing
No. Not when compared to other applications that do the same *type* of thing (which there are very very few). Check out an interesting set of benchmarks I ran against Zope and Tomcat connecting to a PostgreSQL database. http://www.zope.org/Members/BwanaZulia/benchmarks.html J
From: Firestar <theebh@mail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:13:32 -0400 (EDT) To: zope@zope.org Subject: [Zope] Is Zope slow?
Hi,
I'm considering using Zope as the development tool for my next web project. However, I read from a recent benchmark test (from Qube, i think) that Zope(running thru Zserver?) is much SLOWER than Apache and AOLserver. Is that true? To all Zope users and 'guru's, what is yr experience using Zope?
Hello,
I'm considering using Zope as the development tool for my next web project. However, I read from a recent benchmark test (from Qube, i think) that Zope(running thru Zserver?) is much SLOWER than Apache and AOLserver. Is that true? To all Zope users and 'guru's, what is yr experience using Zope?
I run the QubeQuorner weblog where those numbers came from. Zope isn't slow. It's slower than Apache serving static pages. But Zope is dynamic. I haven't yet had time to do proper dynamic comparisons between the various servers. I run a few Zope sites. And I'm adding more Zope sites. I wouldn't do that if I thought it was too slow. There is a lot involved in making a site faster or slower. Adding a few graphics to your web page is going to make it slower than an all-text page. An all-text page vs a mixed text and graphics page can be almost twice as fast. Your connection to the site is going to affect "apparent" performance. For example, while I have a cable modem at home, and my Zope server sits on a fast T1 (there are slow T1s and fast ones), the connection in the evenings is too slow for me use my server. That's @Home's fault, not Zope's. And our T1 will fill up well before Zope runs out of steam on my box. Technocrat.net is a Zope site. They were Slashdotted and survived without any apparent problems. And they were running Zope on a Pentium 120! I believe they upgraded to a PII-450 after that episode, just to be safe. I have a list of Pystone benchmarks on my QQ site too: http://weblogs.userland.com/qube/stories/storyReader$289 A PIII-850 gives tremendous Python performance, which should translate to impressive Zope numbers too. Zope.org, however, doesn't run on nearly the fastest hardware available, and it rarely seems slow to me. Luke
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