Hello! In my humble experience newsserver (even private) is much more vulnerable to spam than e-mail lists. Especially closed mail ists. Like Postgres' ones. Michael, isn't it irony that you, the opponent of spam, sent the message via open relay? (-: It is not your fault, I know. Please, write to your ISP to fix the problem. X-RBL-Warning: (outputs.orbz.org) Open relay. Please see http://orbz.org/?24.234.0.81 Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmann http://phd.pp.ru/ phd@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ----- Forwarded message from "Michael R. Bernstein" <webmaven@lvcm.com> ----- Received: from 100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net [24.234.0.81] (mirapoint) by phd.fep.ru with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15vXXn-0002Lq-00; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:22:35 +0400 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (cm254.92.120.24.lvcm.com [24.120.92.254]) by 100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id ART16950; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Zope] A new list needed? From: "Michael R. Bernstein" <webmaven@lvcm.com> To: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.pp.ru> Cc: zope@zope.org In-Reply-To: <20011021170319.C4759@phd.pp.ru> References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0110200911260.32635-100000@temp.joelburton.com> <20011020152051.41206.qmail@web20908.mail.yahoo.com> <20011021012752.E74584@zeus.theinternet.com.au> <1003595973.6593.7.camel@fiawol> <20011020170750.A3264@bestweb.net> <20011021170319.C4759@phd.pp.ru> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/0.16.99+cvs.2001.10.15.08.08 (Preview Release) Date: 21 Oct 2001 22:28:20 -0700 Message-Id: <1003728502.6593.538.camel@fiawol> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-RBL-Warning: (outputs.orbz.org) Open relay. Please see http://orbz.org/?24.234.0.81 Status: RO Content-Length: 806 Lines: 20 On Sun, 2001-10-21 at 06:03, Oleg Broytmann wrote:

On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 05:07:50PM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote:

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On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 09:39:29AM -0700, Michael R. Bernstein wrote:

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Personally, I'd prefer newsgroups to mailing lists. A news.zope.org NNTP server along with a heirarchy of groups would do wonders, IMO.

YES PLEASE!!!!!!!

NO PLEASE!!!!! We have enough spam already, we don't need more spam in a newsgroups.

Actually, a newsgroup (on a private server, not Usenet)would have far less spam. any spam found on the newsgroup can be cancelled before too many people check the server. With an email list, once the listserver has sent out the email, that's it, everyone on the list will get it. That's one of the reasons that I like NNTP. Michael Bernstein. ----- End forwarded message -----