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In the light of the amount of SPAM I'm seeing from the Zope lists, I wonder if you've ever tought about, like, doing something about it? Like the magic -x switch to *hint* *hint* ezmlm-make and its good ole mimeremove facility. The Mailman FAQ specifically mentions stripmime and demime. Running reverse DNS lookups on the senders would be kinda kinky, too. And... whatever... :-/ So, dear Listowner, could you PLEASE TURN THIS CRAP OFF? That'd be much appreciated, really. Do I sound bitter? That's because I just found out that this month alone, I've received 1335 pieces of SPAM. And somehow I feel that I don't need dysfunctionally configured MLMs to add to that. And while you're at it, could you please consider fixing the banner: ,---- | 1 _______________________________________________ | 2 Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org | 3 http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope | 4 ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** | 5 (Related lists - | 6 http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce | 7 http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) `---- 1: Not needed. 2. Sure, stick it in the subject AND the banner. How about some audio, too? 3. Needed? 4. Meaningless. This is an MLM option - use it. 5-7 Superfluous Let's try this again: ,---- | -- | Zope@zope.org archives: http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope/ | Other Zope lists: http://lists.zope.org/ | Further reading: http://www.zope.org/Documentation `---- Look, Ma, it's only got 3 lines, but more info! *mumblemumble* ;-)
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 10:28:25AM -0500, Robin S. Socha wrote:
In the light of the amount of SPAM I'm seeing from the Zope lists, I wonder if you've ever tought about, like, doing something about it? Like the magic -x switch to *hint* *hint* ezmlm-make and its good ole mimeremove facility. The Mailman FAQ specifically mentions stripmime and demime. Running reverse DNS lookups on the senders would be kinda kinky, too. And... whatever... :-/
So, dear Listowner, could you PLEASE TURN THIS CRAP OFF? That'd be much appreciated, really.
Do I sound bitter? That's because I just found out that this month alone, I've received 1335 pieces of SPAM. And somehow I feel that I don't need dysfunctionally configured MLMs to add to that.
There is already a *lot* of filtering going on, including DNS checks. And we are lining up SpamAssassin to hook in on the filtering as well. Patience, please, as the people setting it up are doing it in their spare time as a volunteer effort (and we first upgraded the MTA).
And while you're at it, could you please consider fixing the banner:
,---- | 1 _______________________________________________ | 2 Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org | 3 http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope | 4 ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** | 5 (Related lists - | 6 http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce | 7 http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) `----
1: Not needed. 2. Sure, stick it in the subject AND the banner. How about some audio, too? 3. Needed? 4. Meaningless. This is an MLM option - use it. 5-7 Superfluous
Let's try this again:
,---- | -- | Zope@zope.org archives: http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope/ | Other Zope lists: http://lists.zope.org/ | Further reading: http://www.zope.org/Documentation `----
Look, Ma, it's only got 3 lines, but more info! *mumblemumble* ;-)
Except that subscriber options are no longer accessible. The format is closely related to the default Mailman format, and thus much more familiar to most people. -- Martijn Pieters | Software Engineer mailto:mj@zope.com | Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com/ | Creators of Zope http://www.zope.org/ ---------------------------------------------
* Martijn Pieters <mj@zope.com> writes:
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 10:28:25AM -0500, Robin S. Socha wrote:
In the light of the amount of SPAM I'm seeing from the Zope lists, I wonder if you've ever tought about, like, doing something about it?
[...]
There is already a *lot* of filtering going on, including DNS checks. And we are lining up SpamAssassin to hook in on the filtering as well.
Hmmmm... Okay. That's one half of the deal. The other is that you're not filtering on content. Which I think you should. This list should not be seeing anything but text/ascii, certainly not HTML or similar bloat. I'm subscribed to *many* lists, but this one is not only high volume but also high bloat. I understand that having Microsoft users on a technical list *is* a problem, but stripping all MIME and multipart-alternative would make a difference.
Patience, please, as the people setting it up are doing it in their spare time as a volunteer effort
Trust me, I know what you're talking about.
(and we first upgraded the MTA).
One of these days, when you're really bored, I'd like to know why to made the least obvious choice. }:-> [Monster Banner]
| Zope@zope.org archives: http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope/ | Other Zope lists: http://lists.zope.org/ | Further reading: http://www.zope.org/Documentation Look, Ma, it's only got 3 lines, but more info! *mumblemumble* ;-)
Except that subscriber options are no longer accessible. The format is closely related to the default Mailman format, and thus much more familiar to most people.
Beg pardon? http://lists.zope.org is a redirect to http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo which, in turn, leads straigt to all the lists. I mean, hey!, thanks for running the lists, using them is a privilege and I'm really glad they're there - I was only drawing your(?) attention to the fact that a 7 line sig is... big? long? uncool? I'll just shut up now. -- Robin S. Socha, Webhamster http://my.gnus.org/Members/robin
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin S. Socha" <robin-dated-1015790604.e02d10@socha.net> To: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 8:18 PM Subject: [Zope] Re: Dear Listowner... <snippety> I understand that having Microsoft users on a technical
list *is* a problem, but stripping all MIME and multipart-alternative would make a difference.
</snippety> Hmm, so you're tyring to tell us humble Winblows lusers that we are not as technical as you oh so powerful and experienced *nix/TOS/AmigaOS or whatever it is you use these days users. But wait, I use Windows XP/2k/Nt4 and Win98 and of course I have servers running Linux and OpenBSD, and of course there was the time when I was using the PDP11 and the IBM System 36 and AS/400 and AIX.............. Hmm, maybe I'm no less a 'technical' person than you after all! Well what do ya know!!!!
Phil Harris wrote:
But wait, I use Windows XP/2k/Nt4 and Win98 and of course I have servers running Linux and OpenBSD, and of course there was the time when I was using the PDP11 and the IBM System 36 and AS/400 and AIX..............
Hmm, maybe I'm no less a 'technical' person than you after all!
Well what do ya know!!!!
Yeah, but even though you are a W1n0z3 LuZ37, you don't send HTML mail to this list. I really wouldn't mind loosing all HTML mail altogether as even those HTML messages that aren't from spammers are usually from people who should have RTFM'ed anyway. Chris -- send 'em a bounce mail, they deserve it!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com> To: "Phil Harris" <phil@harris-family.info> Cc: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] Re: Dear Listowner...
Phil Harris wrote:
But wait, I use Windows XP/2k/Nt4 and Win98 and of course I have servers running Linux and OpenBSD, and of course there was the time when I was
using
the PDP11 and the IBM System 36 and AS/400 and AIX..............
Hmm, maybe I'm no less a 'technical' person than you after all!
Well what do ya know!!!!
Yeah, but even though you are a W1n0z3 LuZ37, you don't send HTML mail to this list.
I really wouldn't mind loosing all HTML mail altogether as even those HTML messages that aren't from spammers are usually from people who should have RTFM'ed anyway.
Chris -- send 'em a bounce mail, they deserve it!
Agreed on all points, but the elitism of the former posting was completely unnecessary ;)
-> Yeah, but even though you are a W1n0z3 LuZ37, [...] "Here kid, here's a dime. Go buy yourself a real computer."
<script>alert("freak");alert("show")</script> begin Phil_Harris_<phil@harris-family.info>.gif.exe My last response to this. You're OT, Phil... Let's go for the headers first. Want to play ødd mån øüt? ,---- | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 `---- To be fixed with this: http://www.tglsoft.de/misc/hamtools_en.htm
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin S. Socha" <robin-dated-1015790604.e02d10@socha.net> To: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 8:18 PM Subject: [Zope] Re: Dear Listowner...
It's "attribution line", not "lines". Edit inetres.dll to fix it.
I understand that having Microsoft users on a technical ^
list *is* a problem, but stripping all MIME and multipart-alternative ^^
Broken quotes? http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.jakobi/english.htm
Hmm, so you're tyring to tell us humble Winblows lusers that we are not as technical as you oh so powerful and experienced *nix/TOS/AmigaOS or whatever it is you use these days users.
No, Phil. I'm telling you that it's virtually impossible even for a seasoned user to produce technically correct messages using Microsoft MUAs. I could encode this as QP and you wouldn't even get "quote marks" in your reply anymore. It's got nothing to do with anyone here being more technical than the other: your software is crap.
But wait, I use Windows XP/2k/Nt4 and Win98 and of course I have servers running Linux and OpenBSD, and of course there was the time when I was using the PDP11 and the IBM System 36 and AS/400 and AIX..............
Hmm, maybe I'm no less a 'technical' person than you after all!
Probably not. In fact, you sound a lot like my father. He got a severe braindamage from overexposure to AIX, IBM mainframes and FORTRAN, and has been forced to use Windows ever since.
Well what do ya know!!!!
Your "!"-key is broken, Phil. end http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=bugtraq+outlo... -- Look, Ma, it's a sigmonster!
Robin S. Socha writes:
but stripping all MIME and multipart-alternative would make a difference. And here you see a controversy:
I do *NOT* agree with you that all MIME should be stripped! Sometimes, it is very senseful to have MIME attachments, e.g. when you send patches or more detailed problem descriptions. Please, list owner, do not follow this request. I would not mind when the HTML part in a multipart/alternative would be stripped and just the plain text part retained, though. In fact, it would make me read more messages as I delete any HTML mail without reading it. Dieter
Except that subscriber options are no longer accessible. The format is closely related to the default Mailman format, and thus much more familiar to most people.
I don't think many people care if it resembles Mailman format. Mailman is not that popular anyway. I also think that 3 lines is better than 7. -- Milos Prudek
From: "Milos Prudek" <milos.prudek@tiscali.cz>
I don't think many people care if it resembles Mailman format.
I would agree on this.
I also think that 3 lines is better than 7.
I think the number of lines are rather insignificant, unless they are simply ridicously long (like 20). It's the clarity and usefullness of the information that is important. And I think all footers should begin with the standard "dash dash space lf". So a footer could look like this, for example: -- Zope@zope.org - Mail list for general discussions and help with Zope Unsubscribe, change settings etc. - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope Other lists - http://www.zope.org/Resources/MailingLists ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! Thank you! ** I think attachements should be allowed too, btw.
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