I don't expect many users have tried Zope 3 yet, but I'm hoping for some feedback from the not-so-technical user groups who have. First off, I find Zope3 totally different from Zope2.x. For example, the task of creating a new user was trivial in Zope2, and it took me a few seconds to figure out what was needed to accomplish this without reading the manual. Power of the UI. I find the same task overly convoluted in Zope3. I know the product is in testing, but my question is - is the user interface going to get better? If not, the learning curve for new users is suddenly much steeper. Perhaps I need to read more before I try things in Zope3. But, for someone like me who has now been using Zope2 for the past 15 months, it then feels like starting over. And I'd call that a steep learning curve. Comments? Samir
Samir Mishra wrote:
I don't expect many users have tried Zope 3 yet, but I'm hoping for some feedback from the not-so-technical user groups who have.
First off, I find Zope3 totally different from Zope2.x. For example, the task of creating a new user was trivial in Zope2, and it took me a few seconds to figure out what was needed to accomplish this without reading the manual. Power of the UI. I find the same task overly convoluted in Zope3. I know the product is in testing, but my question is - is the user interface going to get better? If not, the learning curve for new users is suddenly much steeper.
IMO a good default UI is an important key for the success of Z3. The Z2 ZMI is extremly intuitive, that's why I loved Zope the first time I saw it. I'd love to see more professional help additional to the UI volunteers. Something like a design guide would help to create a consistend UI (like interfaces for consistent applications). I like to volunteer improving the default UI as soon the platform is stable and I have more time. IIRC there are already people cooking UI concepts for business needs. Tonico
Samir Mishra <SamirMishra@cbuae.gov.ae> on 6/8/04 wrote:
First off, I find Zope3 totally different from Zope2.x. For example, the task of creating a new user was trivial in Zope2, and it took me a few seconds to figure out what was needed to accomplish this without reading the manual. Power of the UI. I find the same task overly convoluted in Zope3. I know the product is in testing, but my question is - is the user interface going to get better? If not, the learning curve for new users is suddenly much steeper.
I have to admit I felt total confusion the first time I worked with Zope 3 (just a few days ago). It also took me awhile to find where to add a user - still working on how to give the user a role. I felt at a total loss without being able to go to /manage. I'll keep plugging away and this is of course not meant to say anything negative about zope3... <--> george donnelly ~ http://www.zettai.net/ ~ "Quality Zope Hosting" Shared and Dedicated Zope Hosting ~ Zope Servers ~ Zope Websites Yahoo, AIM: zettainet ~ ICQ: 51907738 ~ Sales (USA): 1-866-967-3669
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 00:35, Samir Mishra wrote:
First off, I find Zope3 totally different from Zope2.x.
It is totally different.
For example, the task of creating a new user was trivial in Zope2, and it took me a few seconds to figure out what was needed to accomplish this without reading the manual. Power of the UI.
There will be definitely UI improvements and simplifications. You can help here by telling us what your most common tasks are and how you expect to do them. Also, what features do you use?
I find the same task overly convoluted in Zope3.
Which ones?
I know the product is in testing, but my question is - is the user interface going to get better? If not, the learning curve for new users is suddenly much steeper.
Note that the current Zope 3 release is for developers only. There is no support for scripter and UI-based developer at this point. This is the goal of future releases. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics & Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training
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