Hi, (Disclaimer: I'm a complete newbie to zope as well as Python!) I created something similar to what you want to do -- a two level order menu based on what child folders are available. I assigned an "order" property to each folder. Then I crawl through my "folder" tree, get the title, id, order number, url (and whatever other information I want) for each folder, put that into a tuple, then put that tuple into a list. Then I sort the list. If "order" is the first value in each tuple, the folders will be ordered by the "order" value. Then I can print out that ordered list of folders anyway I like. Disadvantages: If you have a lot of child folders, it's hard to tell what order they're in. You'd have to view the properties of each child to see it's "order" value. The dream would be to create a custom management view of your folders that displays the order value of each folder. Then you could view and change them all at once. You could also create columns to display and edit other properties of interest. That would make it very easy for non-programmers to add folders and reorder them as they like. But like I said, I'm a complete newbie and this was my first zope/python script. I haven't attached it cause it's not pretty. But if you want to see it I'll send it to you. Rita. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com