Much of the aim of the "Product Developer's Guide" (see http://www.zope.org/Wikis/Docs/ProductDevelopersGuide) is to address the issues you bring up. It's been slow going, although I almost have the security chapter completed. Hopefully this weekend I'll be able to release that chapter.

-----Original Message----- From: Kapil Thangavelu [mailto:kthangavelu@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 11:19 PM To: Dieter Maurer Cc: zope@zope.org; woessner@springer.de; frs@lysia.de Subject: Re: [Zope] [Ann] Another Zope Book great plan. redundant no... desparetely needed? yes:)

my thoughts...

i've often felt thought that dc and zope cater a bit too much to the newbie crowd in the sense that the documentation is built around on touching upon a working knowledge of acquisition and the majority focuses on dtml. i often felt the need (and perhaps i'll scratch the itch) for a zope book for python developers. python is easy to learn, there is no reason zope can't be if it were approached as a collection of python frameworks. zodb (acqusition, persistence, zcatalog), medusa(asyncore+orb), document template, security.

many of the components of zope are very suitable for reuse outside of zope to a python programmer if the pieces were understood as separate entities and explained how they worked in synergy to make zope work, i think there would be many more developers and products for zope.

as is, you learn piecemeal unless you have the stomach and the time to go through all the source code. i've learned a bit (still learning) mainly from the source, but i think most developers are forced to learn through trial and error because the docs don't do the components justice since they tend to focus on working understanding of zope's framework from dtml. and in the end they are forced to turn to the source which can be confusing without knowing the parts of the framework from a fundamental not a working perspective.

comments?

Kapil

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