Hi, I'm a little confused about ZClass construction. I have a product 'Lucy' which has folderish ZClasses 'bob' and 'bill' in it. Each instance of a bob should be constructed with a bill named 'Willliam' in it. The default DTML method bob_add has the following snippet: <dtml-with "bob.createInObjectManager(REQUEST['id'], REQUEST)"> <dtml-comment> ... </dtml-comment> </dtml-with> Where and how do I construct the bill ? My naive thought was to put a <dtml-call "bill_add(id='William')"> in the dtml-with statement, but that doesn't seem to work. Suggestions? I've read 'The Zope Book' a couple times, looked through ZopeLabs and didn't see anything like this except for adding a folder, which isn't that helpful because they're a standard class and have various management methods defined for them. Ideas? J. Toman