Re: [Zope] Could we migrate Zope email to a news group?
Mike explains: |> ...if it ever arrives at all. oh - guess I live a sheltered life. Here inside SGI, usenet news group are very reliable. |> By private, I don't mean restricted, of course. |> It's still publicly available, but it isn't connected to USENET. ah - then how about we have a dedicated server, just for the zope group, but keep it in the usenet hierarchy, so that some other portion of the universe (apparently not including yourself ') that has reliable usenet feeds will gain greater and more convenient access to that same group. This could include the "dual news/list solution" that I see Alexander Staubo suggesting in another response. I'm fine with such, so long as someone else does the work. Such dual solutions are certainly _heavily_ used inside SGI, where I work. |> If you're really eager to get a comp.sys.zope, great ... Ah -- there's a key point. My going off and getting a comp.*.zope accepted would be a useless waste of time (or worse - some sort of information pollution) unless the Zope masters (likely starting with someone from Digital Creations, such as Paul Everitt, Michel Pelletier, Jim Fulton, Brian Lloyd, Rob Page or Ken Manheimer, based on how often I see their names in my email archive) backs this, and a Zope community concensus forms to motivate the shift from the email list to the news group for most activity. Otherwise, I'm just pissing in the wind. (And not "comp.sys.zope", I hope. "comp.sys" seems to be for computer system (sw+hw) vendors, not web server software). ======================================================================= I won't rest till it's the best ... Software Production Engineer Paul Jackson (pj@sgi.com; pj@usa.net) 3x1373 http://sam.engr.sgi.com/pj
On Wed, 5 May 1999, Paul Jackson wrote:
ah - then how about we have a dedicated server, just for the zope group, but keep it in the usenet hierarchy, so that some other portion of the universe (apparently not including yourself ') that has reliable usenet feeds will gain greater and more convenient access to that same group.
If there were a publicly accessible server that only carried comp\..*\..zope.* and which could be agreed upon as the "canonical server", I'd be happy as a clam. As an ex-newsmaster, the idea of relying entirely upon USENET scares the willies out of me. I apologise for the gratuitous regexp. These things seem to have a way of escalating. Mike. -- --- | Mike Pelletier Work: 519-746-1607 /opeware! | Software Developer Home: 519-725-7710 --- | mike@zopeware.com Fax: 519-746-7566 http://www.zopeware.com | Zopeware is not endorsed by Digital Creations
At 18:32 05/05/99 , Paul Jackson wrote:
ah - then how about we have a dedicated server, just for the zope group, but keep it in the usenet hierarchy, so that some other portion of the universe (apparently not including yourself ') that has reliable usenet feeds will gain greater and more convenient access to that same group.
This could include the "dual news/list solution" that I see Alexander Staubo suggesting in another response. I'm fine with such, so long as someone else does the work. Such dual solutions are certainly _heavily_ used inside SGI, where I work.
I think I could live with a NNTP solution, provided it is a _three_-way solution: mail/news/web. I have build such systems, based upon Perl, majordomo, Netscape News Server and MHonArc (http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html). Sorry about the Perl, I am a multi-linguist. Advantages: Occasional users can turn to their news reader and scan the headlines, and selectively download messages. Zope gurus can opt to see all messages by subscribing to the list. And I can search the list using my email client in much better ways than DejaNews ever lets me.. (Eudora 4.2 beta can do boolean and regexp finds!). It allows for very personalized handling of the information. The web interface can provide an archive, with reliability (more so than email!), searchability (especially if the news-group is not part of USENET), and the right look and feel. Also, having a URL to point to is a great boon when discussing recurring topics. -- Martijn Pieters, Web Developer | Antraciet http://www.antraciet.nl | Tel: +31-35-6254545 Fax: +31-35-6254555 | mailto:mj@antraciet.nl http://www.antraciet.nl/~mj | PGP: http://wwwkeys.nl.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xA8A32149 ------------------------------------------
On Thu, 6 May 1999, Martijn Pieters wrote:
I think I could live with a NNTP solution, provided it is a _three_-way solution: mail/news/web. I have build such systems, based upon Perl, majordomo, Netscape News Server and MHonArc (http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html). Sorry about the Perl, I am a multi-linguist.
Actually, there already is such a thing, and Digicool is alredy using it! The MailMan list software has web archiving and a newsgroup gateway build in!
Advantages: Occasional users can turn to their news reader and scan the headlines, and selectively download messages.
Zope gurus can opt to see all messages by subscribing to the list. And I can search the list using my email client in much better ways than DejaNews ever lets me.. (Eudora 4.2 beta can do boolean and regexp finds!). It allows for very personalized handling of the information.
The web interface can provide an archive, with reliability (more so than email!), searchability (especially if the news-group is not part of USENET), and the right look and feel. Also, having a URL to point to is a great boon when discussing recurring topics.
"Agreed. " * 3 -The Dragon De Monsyne
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