Hello folks; I was wondering if there were any sort of statistics available to give an idea of how many installations of Zope there are running on various platforms? My main interest in these facts are my ongoing attempts to run our corporate Intranet on Zope behind MS IIS. Though we've been prototyping Zope in a stand-alone mode for about 6 months our recent attempt to let it play via IIS & PCGI has been less than spectacular. The administrator's main contention is that it is open source, unsupported and my attempt to lock them into a unix-centric platform; something that will work fine under "unix" but Windows is an after-thought. (On could take this basically as a predetermined approach to Zope/open source by said admin). What I'd like to find are some stats to do with companies using IIS and Zope; showing that such a setup isn't a black-sheep. I know that there are lists of sites that run Zope available, but often they don't show conclusively what their setup is, depending if Zope is squirreled away behind a web-server, or it is on an intranet, etc. Anybody know of the existence of such info? Jeff Robinson Graphic Designer Motor Coach Industries
On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 08:36:09AM -0600, Jeffrey Robinson wrote:
The administrator's main contention is that it is open source
Rolling on the floor laughing! After all those latest crashes, Nimda and other viruses - can he say that this damned M$ IIS is supported? If it is "support" I'd better stay off this way :))))) Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmann http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/ phd@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
Heheh... I was almost finished writing something similar myself, but then thought better of it. But mind you Oleg, the keyword here is 'intranet'. Now couple that with the words 'bondable' and 'employee' and perhaps the admin there may just be spared his life.... ;-) (chacun son gout) Paul Zwarts LinuxRocks-WindowsLocks -----Original Message----- From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org] On Behalf Of Oleg Broytmann Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 3:47 PM To: zope@zope.org Subject: Re: [Zope] Platform statistics On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 08:36:09AM -0600, Jeffrey Robinson wrote:
The administrator's main contention is that it is open source
Rolling on the floor laughing! After all those latest crashes, Nimda and other viruses - can he say that this damned M$ IIS is supported? If it is "support" I'd better stay off this way :))))) Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmann http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/ phd@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Jeffrey Robinson wrote:
The administrator's main contention is that it is open source, unsupported and my attempt to lock them into a unix-centric platform; something that will work fine under "unix" but Windows is an after-thought. (On could take this basically as a predetermined approach to Zope/open source by said admin).
The guy's incompetent if he considers Micorosoft operating systems and IIS a viable, stable and supported platform for a medium or above enterprise level website. If he's pre-determined towards a particular solution that is so hopeless, you may as well do yourselves a favour: fire the guy and start again.
What I'd like to find are some stats to do with companies using IIS and Zope; showing that such a setup isn't a black-sheep. I know that there are lists of sites that run Zope available, but often they don't show conclusively what their setup is, depending if Zope is squirreled away behind a web-server, or it is on an intranet, etc.
netstat.com Although Zope behind IIS will probably show up as just IIS, it may give you soem idea. cheers, Chris
Chris Withers wrote:
netstat.com
Although Zope behind IIS will probably show up as just IIS, it may give you soem idea.
Hmm, those are colo/hosting people. You probably mean Netcraft (?), and they don't track Zope that I can see. :-( -- Matt Behrens <matt.behrens@kohler.com> System Analyst, Baker Furniture
Behrens Matt - Grand Rapids wrote:
You probably mean Netcraft (?), and they don't track Zope that I can see. :-(
Yup, those are the ones, and they do: http://www.netcraft.com/survey/Reports/200109/byserver/index.html (you'll find Zope down near the bottom ;-) cheers, Chris
* Jeffrey Robinson <Jeffrey.Robinson@MCICoach.com> [011030 14:48]:
The administrator's main contention is that it is open source, unsupported and my attempt to lock them into a unix-centric platform; something that will work fine under "unix" but Windows is an after-thought. (On could take this basically as a predetermined approach to Zope/open source by said admin).
Sorry, I don't have any stats, but we've had it running without any problems in our dev environments, and always test our apps on both platforms before delivering them: this is because we actively sell Zope to our clients as a cross-platform solution! How many app server platforms allow you to deploy your software across such a wide range of hardware / OS, simply by copying it off a CD? Also, it sounds to me like your problems come from PCGI, rather than Zope? seb
The administrator's main contention is that it is open source, unsupported and my attempt to lock them into a unix-centric platform; something that will work fine under "unix" but Windows is an after-thought.
Lol :) Seriously though the Windows version of Zope sometimes does lack a little. PCGI is just a horrible hideous solution that I threw out after playing around with it and just ran Zope on another port. I was looking around for a solution to this and what we really need is an ISAPI filter that does proxying. In a similar manner to the one for BeaLogic server, http://www.weblogic.com/docs51/admindocs/isapi.html this just proxies everything off to Zope. Of course this takes time to develop and no-one I know of so far has worked on it. Heres an off the wall solution, use ASP to call Zope. http://www.wc.cc.va.us/dtod/zope/ Not a great idea for a high performance site... In the end I just used Apache on Windows or ZServer straight. Cheers. -- Andy McKay.
We have been running Zope on Windows for about a year. Works fine for while but we experiences load issues with it behind Apache. So we switched to straight up ZServer. This worked fine for awhile and now we are experiencing major load that way. So I installed Cygwin and Setup a Squid Accelerator and it is working faster than ever. Zope is still a little slow sometimes in the management interface but otherwise the content is delivered quickly to our customers. That is what is important. That all said we will be moving to a Linux environment in a few Weeks. SR At 08:39 AM 10/30/2001 -0800, Andy McKay wrote:
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The administrator's main contention is that it is open source, unsupported and my attempt to lock them into a unix-centric platform; something that will work fine under "unix" but Windows is an after-thought.
Lol :)
Seriously though the Windows version of Zope sometimes does lack a little. PCGI is just a horrible hideous solution that I threw out after playing around with it and just ran Zope on another port.
I was looking around for a solution to this and what we really need is an ISAPI filter that does proxying. In a similar manner to the one for BeaLogic server, http://www.weblogic.com/docs51/admindocs/isapi.html this just proxies everything off to Zope. Of course this takes time to develop and no-one I know of so far has worked on it.
Heres an off the wall solution, use ASP to call Zope. http://www.wc.cc.va.us/dtod/zope/ Not a great idea for a high performance site.. . In the end I just used Apache on Windows or ZServer straight.
Cheers. -- Andy McKay.
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