To Jim Fulton with the permission of the list: Did you read the Guido's The history of Python weblog? If you are not busy enought ;), will be so much interessant and useful for us to know the Zope history We win on empathy with the people who make it possible (and we need to win on this ;)) We win on general knowledge with Zope We win on don't repeat the same mistakes you do (I think this is a goal for you, isn't it?) ;) Thanks! -- Mis Cosas http://blogs.sistes.net/Garito Zope Smart Manager http://blogs.sistes.net/Garito/670