Bruce, I am by no means a Python or Zope expert, but here goes: Why do you want to export a role with your product? Couldn't you just as easily allow the product admin to define a role which allows him/her to provide or deny permissions (defined in the class object) to the product container or its contained objects on a per-instance basis? Whenever I've made a Z Class, I've always allowed it to add permissions to my "Define Permissions" tab as it sees fit, then I've constructed my own roles within the instance that make use of those permissions. Are you defining new permissions within the class or something? As far as how to access the container's properties from DTML within a subobject (I think this is what you're asking), do this... create a dtml method within the container with this code: <!--#with "PARENTS[0]"--> <!--#var property1--> <!--#var property2--> etc... <!--#/with--> PARENTS[0] is always the container object of the method its called from. PARENTS[1] is the container object of *that* container object. PARENTS[2] is the container object of that container object, and so on. PARENTS[-1] is the root object. Similarly, you can get a specific attribute of the containing folder by doing something like: <!--#var "PARENTS[0].id"--> -----Original Message----- From: bruce@perens.com To: zope@zope.org Sent: 10/10/99 7:24 PM Subject: [Zope] list of naive questions I have read the ZDG. I'm not a Python or Zope expert. Here are a few things I haven't figured out: I have a ZClass Product. I see that I can give some of its DTML methods proxies using globaly-defined roles. I don't see how to create Product-specific roles and export them with the product. Thus, I am only able to set proxies to the roles of "manager", "owner", and "anonymous", which don't really know anything about my product-specific permissions. If I create a user folder in the product, it's sort of half-visible in the instance - I doubt that's what I want. How do you call a ZClass factory from DTML, and how do you pass the container object? Or do you simply not use the factory and just call the same things it calls, from your program? How does an object access its container? I have an object with ObjectManager as one of its base classes. That object contains other objects. The objects it contains want to access properties of the container. Thanks Bruce _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope (Related lists - please, no cross posts or HTML encoding! To receive general Zope announcements, see: http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce For developer-specific issues, zope-dev@zope.org - http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )