http://www.byte.com/column/threads/BYT19990818S0012 In this multipart series, Jon Udell talks about removing virtual memory from the OS, then moves on to talking about storing objects instead of simple chunks of data... then he sets down a wishlist for perl. And he asks for "A more well-defined way to construct Perl-based network services. Think Zope for Perl. There is mod_perl, an indispensable tool, but nothing which is the kind of framework that Zope provides for Python. " IMHO, this is a little misguided. Why would someone want Zope for perl? why not just use Zope with python? :) Kevin