Forcing a commit fixed my problem. So I wouldn't say its nonsense. My guess is that, yes all properties of a ZClass when changed are readily available within that thread. But, the manage_clone method I was using is pulling and putting objects straight off of the ZODB and not from my transaction space. Please correct me if I am wrong. Cayce --- Martijn Pieters <mj@antraciet.nl> wrote:

Absolute nonsense. Within your thread, all changes you make are immediatly visible, no commit is needed. If you have problems changing a newly created ZClass instances properties, then the problem lies elsewhere.

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At 04:41 14/10/99 , Cayce Ullman wrote:

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I have noticed others asking questions similar to this, but have not seen an answer. It seems that it is not possible to change the properties of a newly cloned zClass within the same DTML in one click. Common sentiment seems to think that the newly created object is not yet set down or commited. Is there any way to force a commit, maybe using dtml-try, or an external method, or something?

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