Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> writes:
I, personnaly, just hate web-based collaboration. Cameron Laird and few other people suggested me to try ZWiki. I tried. Now I hate web collaboration even more :)
Let me count pros and cons of web-based collaboration against e-mail:
1. Web is "pull technology". You need to download the entire page. How many times do I need to read and reread messages on http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ExtendedDTMLSorting - just to see noone added new comment? Isn't it just a waste of traffic?
I use NetMind's URL-Minder to tell me when the wikis I need to be on top of are updated. I watch RecentChanges when I care about the whole wiki, individual pages otherwise.
2. Editing text is certainly weak point of the web. It is plainly nightmare to edit text in those small <textarea>s that loose all decent editing features. With e-mail, I can use whatever editor I prefer.
There's no reason to edit in the web browser if you don't want to. With FTP, you can use whatever editor you prefer. I only use the textarea to make new pages, and only then because I've been too lazy to set up the PUT hook that would remove this.
I certainly missed many points. I'd be glad if anyone says his/her words in favor (or agains) web or email-based collaboration.
It's not really a split. Email archives are usually web based, but they're not editable like wiki pages are. I hate web-based replacements for mailing lists, but wikis aren't that. They're complimentary. -- Karl Anderson karl@digicool.com
On 23 May 2001, Karl Anderson wrote:
Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> writes:
I, personnaly, just hate web-based collaboration. Cameron Laird and few other people suggested me to try ZWiki. I tried. Now I hate web collaboration even more :)
Let me count pros and cons of web-based collaboration against e-mail:
1. Web is "pull technology". You need to download the entire page. How many times do I need to read and reread messages on http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ExtendedDTMLSorting - just to see noone added new comment? Isn't it just a waste of traffic?
I use NetMind's URL-Minder to tell me when the wikis I need to be on
Will NetMind send me false alarm when the design (not content) of the page changed? For example, if time stamped on the page - will NetMind send me notifications?
top of are updated. I watch RecentChanges when I care about the whole wiki, individual pages otherwise.
Where is RecentChanges on the page http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ExtendedDTMLSorting ?
2. Editing text is certainly weak point of the web. It is plainly nightmare to edit text in those small <textarea>s that loose all decent editing features. With e-mail, I can use whatever editor I prefer.
There's no reason to edit in the web browser if you don't want to. With FTP, you can use whatever editor you prefer.
I didn't tried it, but is dev.zope.org FTPable? Oleg. ---- Oleg Broytmann http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/ phd@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
Oleg Broytmann wrote:
Where is RecentChanges on the page http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ExtendedDTMLSorting
http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ExtendedDTMLSorting/RecentChange... RecentChanges is a page in every ZWiki, even if it's not linked. It's pretty annoying that it's not more prominent on a lot of Wikis.
There's no reason to edit in the web browser if you don't want to. With FTP, you can use whatever editor you prefer.
I didn't tried it, but is dev.zope.org FTPable?
Yes, AFAIK... dev.zope.org and www.zope.org are actually the same box. - C
On Thu, 24 May 2001, Chris McDonough wrote:
Where is RecentChanges on the page http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ExtendedDTMLSorting
http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ExtendedDTMLSorting/RecentChange...
RecentChanges is a page in every ZWiki, even if it's not linked. It's
Ok, thanks.
pretty annoying that it's not more prominent on a lot of Wikis.
Sure.
There's no reason to edit in the web browser if you don't want to. With FTP, you can use whatever editor you prefer.
I didn't tried it, but is dev.zope.org FTPable?
Yes, AFAIK...
Nice. So, after all, wikies are not completely braindamaging, just not enough mature yet. Eagerly waiting... :)
dev.zope.org and www.zope.org are actually the same box.
I guessed this, as I can reach Members directory from dev.zope.org. Oleg. ---- Oleg Broytmann http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/ phd@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
"Karl" == Karl Anderson <karl@digicool.com> writes:
Karl> There's no reason to edit in the web browser if you don't Karl> want to. With FTP, you can use whatever editor you prefer. Karl> I only use the textarea to make new pages, and only then Karl> because I've been too lazy to set up the PUT hook that would Karl> remove this. Here's a put factory tto aid you in your laziness (Still the principle virtue?) Just add it to /usr/path/to/zope/Extensions/ and add it as an external method called PUT_factory to your wiki (this one is dtml enabled, edit to suit your needs) def PUT_factory( self, name, typ, body ): """ Override the default PUT method to make ZWikiPage the default type for ftp uploads """ from Products.ZWiki.ZWikiPage import ZWikiPage if typ == 'text/plain': ob = ZWikiPage( '', __name__=name ) ob.page_type = 'structuredtextdtml' return ob return None More detailed info at http://zwiki.org/HowToCreateZWikiPagesWithPut Cheers, John Hunter
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