call for a new list -- did we ever come to a conclusion?
I vote for a NNTP feed of the list. I have no idea whats needed and I certainly dont have the time to do it. but I read c.l.p on occassion because its NNTP. I rarely step to the popermail archives for zope, c.l.p, or cmf. unless I'm looking for something. I think the mailing list is way too busy for its own good and support the notion of having a zope-advanced place for people to talk about product development and more technical issues than the main zope mailing list. I also think zope-dev isnt appropriate since it is for the internals of zope. are there any takers for doing this? if ZOPE gets more and more newbies we will just see a increase in traffic to the main zope mailing list and the more experienced people will leave. most of the newbie questions can, in fact be answered by newbies or people who have been using zope for a few days. I bet segmenting the list would maybe increase subscription -- who wants to drink out of a firehose? I'm fine for drinking out of a zope newbie fountain. whats very worrying is that Andrew says he got personal attacks. I know the Zope community has grown in the past few years. but I thought on a whole the community was mature enough and warm-hearted enough to be above personal attacks. I agree w/ webmaven that he should post these emails publicly so we could see the offenders. We shoulndt tolerate this in our community. ~runyaga
Hi All, In article <005f01c15aca$97e42710$1701640a@pythonic>, Alan runyan wrote:
whats very worrying is that Andrew says he got personal attacks. I know the Zope community has grown in the past few years. but I thought on a whole the community was mature enough and warm-hearted enough to be above personal attacks. I agree w/ webmaven that he should post these emails publicly so we could see the offenders. We shoulndt tolerate this in our community.
I'd like to second that. I found Andrew's discomfort very disturbing - there just isn't any justification for such behaviour. Regards PhilK Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:07 +0100 When your friend speaks his mind you fear not the "nay" in your own mind, nor do you withhold the "ay". And when he is silent your heart ceases not to listen to his heart; - from The Prophet, by Kahlil Gibran
alan runyan wrote:
I vote for a NNTP feed of the list.
I agree.
if ZOPE gets more and more newbies we will just see a increase in traffic to the main zope mailing list and the more experienced people will leave. most of the newbie questions can, in fact be answered by newbies or people who have been using zope for a few days.
This also gives those people an opportunity to give back, which is a GoodThing(tm) at any (every) level.
whats very worrying is that Andrew says he got personal attacks. I know the Zope community has grown in the past few years. but I thought on a whole the community was mature enough and warm-hearted enough to be above personal attacks. I agree w/ webmaven that he should post these emails publicly so we could see the offenders. We shoulndt tolerate this in our community.
Agreed. If we don't police ourselves from that type of behaviour it will harm the community. I do not know any of the attackers or the person attacked. It may well have been an over-sensitivity too. ??? Either way, those probably aren't bad people (they are Zope users after all <g>) just maybe had a bad day. Maybe a public posting (without further comment) will cause them to think before typing? ____________________________________________________ Tim Cook, President - Free Practice Management, Inc. http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126 ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM
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