I vote for a NNTP feed of the list. I have no idea whats needed and I certainly dont have the time to do it. but I read c.l.p on occassion because its NNTP. I rarely step to the popermail archives for zope, c.l.p, or cmf. unless I'm looking for something. I think the mailing list is way too busy for its own good and support the notion of having a zope-advanced place for people to talk about product development and more technical issues than the main zope mailing list. I also think zope-dev isnt appropriate since it is for the internals of zope. are there any takers for doing this? if ZOPE gets more and more newbies we will just see a increase in traffic to the main zope mailing list and the more experienced people will leave. most of the newbie questions can, in fact be answered by newbies or people who have been using zope for a few days. I bet segmenting the list would maybe increase subscription -- who wants to drink out of a firehose? I'm fine for drinking out of a zope newbie fountain. whats very worrying is that Andrew says he got personal attacks. I know the Zope community has grown in the past few years. but I thought on a whole the community was mature enough and warm-hearted enough to be above personal attacks. I agree w/ webmaven that he should post these emails publicly so we could see the offenders. We shoulndt tolerate this in our community. ~runyaga