Yes, I tried the installing the bundle as well as the standalone Archetypes. No luck, Zope still won't start in either case. Removeing the bundle and restoring Archtypes 1.2.5-rc5 and Zope starts normally. I mispoke about my version of python. It is 2.3.3 Is 2.3.4 required for Archtypes 1.3 to work? I'm worried about other things breaking if I install python 2.3.4. This truly is a return to dll hell. Harlow Pinson Indepth Learning Email: hpinson@indepthl.com Web: http://www.indepthl.com Voice: 505-994-2135 FAX: 208-475-7678