You may also want to take a look at HiperDOM as a templating mechanism as well. I haven't used it, but in looking at the Wiki and the examples, it looks like it would do what you are looking for, and from all accounts I have read, this will be the "official" Zope replacement for DTML for presentation logic in the future (relegating DTML for logic use, along with Perl and Python methods), and has a lot of cool features that allow you to create a template with mockup data that actually renders your presentation, replacing the mockup. http://www.zope.org/Members/lalo/HiperDom I'm working on a content-management project in which I am just starting to do real user interface work, and I am likely going to try switching over most of the presentation from DTML to HiperDOM. Anyway, creating valid XHTML documents for templates is an exciting idea, especially in the sense that this decreases the learning curve for a designer needing to work on presentation, but not logic - that is a definite need in my organization. Cheers, Sean -----Original Message----- From: Nuno Goncalves [mailto:nuno@fccn.pt] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 9:51 AM To: Max M Cc: phd@mail2.phd.pp.ru; Zope@Zope. Org Subject: RE: [Zope] site structure (fwd) i see !!! i have just found a package ZopeFish that has ZFSuite. ZFSuite has an object (ZF document template) that defines a layout and structure for the entire site. More info at http://www.zope.org/WikiCentral/ZFWiki still i installed it (it is a bunch of libs) but i haven't tested it ! if i get it work i will tell you thanks On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Max M wrote:

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But that way if i want to change the structure, i have to change on every page.

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No, you only need to change 2 places: standard_html_header and standard_html_footer :) All Documents that use these header/footer will be rendered using new structure.

I think you misunderstand him. He is actually right.

Some things are pretty hard to do in zope, because of the header/footer principle.

Making a global look to a site can be pretty difficult if it doesn't fit nicely into a header/footer structure, with a main area being the pages' unique content.

If I where to do it in regular Python I would use special classes for special layouts. That is hard to do in Zope.

Regards maxm

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