Thanks for those who answered my OO vs RDBMS question.. Now another one, is there anywhere where I can get my hands on sample web applications that I could download and look at? I guess as any newbie does, I'm stumbling along trying to glue all the pieces of the puzzle together, where to use products/dtml/external methods etc.. it just doesn't seem to be gelling yet... I don't think that the sample outline application that comes with Zope really illustrates what zope can/should be used for. It does show the object acquisition if you really look at the tree/dtcontent/dttemplate stuff but it's not immediately obvious. Any samples would be appreciated TIA Rowan Hick Business Analyst, Soft Tech NZ LTD Auckland, New Zealand