Now, I wonder wich statement is more accurate:

http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ZWN/ZWN-2000-09-26/index_html?pp=1

Zope Web

by Ethan Fremen

Exorcising Zope.org

The extremely large Members folder (11139 of you!) and acl_users folder was causing Zope.org to load nearly 50 MB of "Ghosts" - stateless objects - into memory.

or From: http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ZWN/ZWN-2000-11-08 "Zope Web by Ethan Fremen How Many Zopatistas? [....] There are 1617 members of zope@zope.org and 409 members of zope-dev. There are 200,000 unique visits to zope.org every month (ok, that's a record :).

Jimmie Houchin wrote:

I would have to say that both are accurate at the time they were given. However, neither will be a truly accurate measurement of the users of Zope and the Zope community.

They each measure different things. One measures the people who have "joined" Zope.org. """The extremely large Members folder (11139 of you!)""" The other measures subscribers to the mailing list. """There are 1617 members of zope@zope.org"""

There are a few people who have different identities on the Zope memberships. There will also be possible duplication on the mailing list due to different email addresses. There are also people who neither join Zope.org nor subscribe to the mailing list, but who have nevertheless downloaded and use Zope.

There also are people who have been on the mailing lists, learned and then subsequently left the lists, but still use Zope. There are also those who no longer do.

So, who knows what an accurate figure would be?

This is impossible! Zope is distributed with Red Hat and Debian, both of which are availiable via anonymous ftp. It looks like there are about 10 subscribers to zope@zope.org that are likely gateways (like zope-list@something.org) who could be doing whatever they want. If it helps any, only about 20% of the population of the 13 colonies actively supported the Revolution and less than 10% were active in the fighting, IIRC. So if you want, you could say that only 10% of the users of Zope are active members of mailing list, which gives you about 20,000 installs of zope. The members of zope.org is totally erronious. There's some obvious one-time users there. I will indeed be working on finally eliminating the "down for maintinance" comment, and part of that is to ditch spurious users. But anyway, there's no concrete way to count zope users: estimation is the best we'll ever get. ethan mindlace fremen Zopatista Community Liason

ethan mindlace fremen wrote:

Jimmie Houchin wrote:

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I would have to say that both are accurate at the time they were given. However, neither will be a truly accurate measurement of the users of Zope and the Zope community.

They each measure different things. One measures the people who have "joined" Zope.org. """The extremely large Members folder (11139 of you!)""" The other measures subscribers to the mailing list. """There are 1617 members of zope@zope.org"""

There are a few people who have different identities on the Zope memberships. There will also be possible duplication on the mailing list due to different email addresses. There are also people who neither join Zope.org nor subscribe to the mailing list, but who have nevertheless downloaded and use Zope.

There also are people who have been on the mailing lists, learned and then subsequently left the lists, but still use Zope. There are also those who no longer do.

So, who knows what an accurate figure would be?

This is impossible! Zope is distributed with Red Hat and Debian, both of which are availiable via anonymous ftp. It looks like there are about

And SuSe, and I believe, Mandrake as well.

But anyway, there's no concrete way to count zope users: estimation is the best we'll ever get.

yup.