Ahh I see that the mailing list is working once again ... A while ago there was discussion on how the LoginManager was not functioning correct with Zope 2.3.0 because Zope had changed. Has the situation changed thus far? I would very much like to try Zope out, but I'd like to be able to use an SQL backend for the user database (in addition to the ZClasses and the Python scripting, etc...), and LoginManager seems like the best choice.