i everyone, i have an upcoming project that has to do with bluestome's sapphire/web product. i went over the website and, just like with most Zope competitors, it'a a lot of fluff and buzz but no hard facts like pricing or hardware requirements. has anyone on the list used sapphire/web before and has some insightful comments comparing it to Zope (which is much more my forte)? any comments appreciated :) jens Jens Vagelpohl Systems Administrator Washtenaw Development Council