Hardware requirements: cpu or memory?
Hi, I have Zope and Plone installed on a Pentium 266Mh with 64 MB Memory. And the site is running slow. What is the most simple (and cheapest) way to increase its speeds? A new CPU, or could buying some more memory (like 256Mb) be enough? Wouter Vanden Hove
--On Montag, 6. Oktober 2003 17:41 Uhr +0200 Wouter Vanden Hove <atheist@pandora.be> wrote:
Hi,
I have Zope and Plone installed on a Pentium 266Mh with 64 MB Memory. And the site is running slow.
What is the most simple (and cheapest) way to increase its speeds? A new CPU, or could buying some more memory (like 256Mb) be enough?
Your hardware is obsolete. Try more RAM and then a new CPU. Best to degrade your P266 to a door stopper. -aj
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 05:43:15PM +0200, Andreas Jung wrote:
--On Montag, 6. Oktober 2003 17:41 Uhr +0200 Wouter Vanden Hove <atheist@pandora.be> wrote:
Hi,
I have Zope and Plone installed on a Pentium 266Mh with 64 MB Memory. And the site is running slow.
I bet it is :-) I think you mean Pentium II. As far as I know, the Pentium / Pentium MMX family topped out at 233 MHz.
What is the most simple (and cheapest) way to increase its speeds? A new CPU, or could buying some more memory (like 256Mb) be enough?
Your hardware is obsolete. Try more RAM and then a new CPU. Best to degrade your P266 to a door stopper.
While it's certainly not speedy by modern standards, that would have been a pretty common spec around the time of zope 2.0.0 :-) By far the quickest and least painful speed boost will be to do as Andreas suggests - either put the best CPU and most RAM you can fit on your motherboard, or scrap the motherboard and start with something more modern. You may not need a current-model speed demon, either; I've got a bunch of happy zope sites in the 800 MHz / 256 MB range. If you are determined to save money and spend time, there are plenty of ways to speed up zope on slow hardware. First, read this: http://www.zettai.net/Howto/zopecaching/view There, you will find some useful links including: http://plone.org/Members/limi/news/caching-tweak Another useful cacheing tool, not mentioned on the zettai page, requires a proxy such as Apache and a bunch of free disk space: Andy McKay's FSCacheManager. http://zope.org/Members/andym/FSCacheManager best downloaded from cvs on the collective project: http://sourceforge.net/projects/collective Finally, I've really been tempted to give psyco.sf.net a try with zope, though I haven't heard of anybody giving it a real workout on a public site yet. A few anecdotes are floating around... http://zope.nipltd.com/public/lists/zope-archive.nsf/47ba74c812dbc5dd8025687... -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com Look! Up in the sky! It's NUTLESS SPONGIFORM VIXEN! (random hero from isometric.spaceninja.com)
Andreas Jung wrote:
Your hardware is obsolete. Try more RAM and then a new CPU. Best to degrade your P266 to a door stopper.
Zope is a horrible resource hog, but it doesn't have to be. I run Zope on a p200 with 64M of memory and my application isn't slow at all. Its going to depend on what you need to do, and how you go about doing it. Plone probably isn't going to help things, from what I've heard it makes stock-zope's resource usage seem light. Anyway, your best bet is probably throwing RAM at it, but I just thought I'd point out that despite claims to the contrary, older hardware is still completely capable of being useful, even if you use Zope. -- Jamie Heilman http://audible.transient.net/~jamie/ "You came all this way, without saying squat, and now you're trying to tell me a '56 Chevy can beat a '47 Buick in a dead quarter mile? I liked you better when you weren't saying squat kid." -Buddy
Yeah, that is going to be slow (Zope/Python loves RAM). More memory will, help... after that go for the processor. BZ
Hi,
I have Zope and Plone installed on a Pentium 266Mh with 64 MB Memory. And the site is running slow.
What is the most simple (and cheapest) way to increase its speeds? A new CPU, or could buying some more memory (like 256Mb) be enough?
Wouter Vanden Hove
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[Wouter Vanden Hove wrote (atheist@pandora.be) on 10/6/03 10:41 AM]
I have Zope and Plone installed on a Pentium 266Mh with 64 MB Memory. And the site is running slow.
What is the most simple (and cheapest) way to increase its speeds? A new CPU, or could buying some more memory (like 256Mb) be enough?
I find that a 1.7 GHz Celeron gives decent speed, but minimum reccommend a Pentium 4 2.0GHz+ for any serious application. If your box is just for testing/playing and you don't want to invest a lot I would get a min of 256MB RAM in there. <--> george donnelly ~ http://www.zettai.net/ ~ "Quality Zope Hosting" Shared and Dedicated Zope Hosting ~ Zope Servers ~ Zope Websites Yahoo, AIM: zettainet ~ ICQ: 51907738 ~ Sales (USA): 1-866-967-3669
Wouter Vanden Hove wrote:
Hi,
I have Zope and Plone installed on a Pentium 266Mh with 64 MB Memory. And the site is running slow.
What is the most simple (and cheapest) way to increase its speeds? A new CPU, or could buying some more memory (like 256Mb) be enough?
I have a server with multiple low volume sites running perfectly on a 133 MHz Pentium. 256 MB of memory does the trick. The only thing that is a little slow is restarting. But that is generally not a problem as I tend to restart production server rather infrequently. Btw. It also runs Apache, IIS and a mail server... It isn't that long time ago that A 133 MHz machine was top of the line. Even then it was running Zope. regards Max M
I have Zope and Plone installed on a Pentium 266Mh with 64 MB Memory. And the site is running slow.
What is the most simple (and cheapest) way to increase its speeds? A new CPU, or could buying some more memory (like 256Mb) be enough?
The cheapest way to speed up your site is to throw away the Plone :) At my expirience, it runs 10 times slower than pure CMF, and CMF site runs... say... 5 times slower than plain Zope site built with dtml/PythonScripts. Some time ago i has two sites running at Cel 366/128 RAM with acceptable performance. And that box runs also apache, squid, mysql and even XWindow! BTW, can anyone tell me, what makes Plone so slow? Default setup renders simple pages in 3-4 sec on PIII 800, and even on P4 2,4 site visitor expiriences annoying pauses.
[Sergey Volobuev wrote (zope@phpv.khv.ru) on 10/6/03 7:15 PM]
BTW, can anyone tell me, what makes Plone so slow? Default setup renders simple pages in 3-4 sec on PIII 800, and even on P4 2,4 site visitor expiriences annoying pauses.
completely unfounded guess: ZPT. <--> george donnelly ~ http://www.zettai.net/ ~ "Quality Zope Hosting" Shared and Dedicated Zope Hosting ~ Zope Servers ~ Zope Websites Yahoo, AIM: zettainet ~ ICQ: 51907738 ~ Sales (USA): 1-866-967-3669
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