Hi, do the zope.org web stats (http://ns1.zope.org:82/) include dev.zope.org & cmf.zope.org & cvs.zope.org ? if not, why not? cheers, garry +-------------------------------------------+ Garry Steedman mailto:gs@styrax.com Styrax Associates http://www.styrax.com/ "The Good Man has no shape." +-------------------------------------------+