Sorry is this is a second posting On 16 jul 2002, you wrote in ZopeList:

I know I could do a len() of the query, but that seems like a bad idea because the database would essentially get queried twice - once to get the len, and once to create the <dtml-in> list.

Hope I'm not wrong, but i think this should cache 'yourquery' for the <dtml-in>. <dtml-let query_result=yourquery total="_.len(query_result)"> <dtml-in expr="query_result" size=x> </dtml-in> </dtml-let> On the other hand, i'd be interested to know how you get results x and y in 'x to y of total' cheers, Dirk