has anyone written an evaluation of the dreamweaver / asp / php / flash approach compared with the zope approach ? I don't know much about it myself I'm looking for something to find out more more myself and to show to colleagues who unthinkingly are going down the commercial path looking for something analytical and substantial that would stand up to scrutiny and help me identify the key issues ie. separation of presentation from logic but going into it, not just stating it meanwhile, I'll keep learning zope and python, which I'm enjoying btw thanks! - Bill Kerr ps,. here's an extract from the mail that prompted this question prices are educational (I'm a school teacher) pps. I'm chucking in asp and php because someone told me that dreamweaver supports them The Company is Network Educational Australia Freecall: 1800 801 332 web: www.network-ed.com.au Bundle 1: Web Design Studio (Dreamweaver 4 - soon MX, Fireworks 4 - soon MX, Flash MX, Freehand 10) plus curriculum materials 15 for $2200 30 for $3300 - (local - $6840) 50 for $4950 Bundle 2: Web Design Studio - as above + Director 8.5 Shockwave studio + Authorware plus curriculum materials 30 for $4400 - (local - $32,550)
You cannot compare things the way you do. Zope is a framework. dreamweaver / asp / php / flash is just a set of tools. I used to be a very big fan of PHP4 and in many ways I still am, but Zope rocks. MANY people use Dreamweaver and Falsh with Zope. \Oliver
-----Original Message----- From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Bill Kerr Sent: 21. juni 2002 00:15 To: zope@zope.org Subject: [Zope] commercial versus open source
has anyone written an evaluation of the dreamweaver / asp / php / flash approach compared with the zope approach ? I don't know much about it myself I'm looking for something to find out more more myself and to show to colleagues who unthinkingly are going down the commercial path looking for something analytical and substantial that would stand up to scrutiny and help me identify the key issues ie. separation of presentation from logic but going into it, not just stating it meanwhile, I'll keep learning zope and python, which I'm enjoying btw thanks! - Bill Kerr ps,. here's an extract from the mail that prompted this question prices are educational (I'm a school teacher) pps. I'm chucking in asp and php because someone told me that dreamweaver supports them
The Company is Network Educational Australia Freecall: 1800 801 332 web: www.network-ed.com.au
Bundle 1: Web Design Studio (Dreamweaver 4 - soon MX, Fireworks 4 - soon MX, Flash MX, Freehand 10) plus curriculum materials 15 for $2200 30 for $3300 - (local - $6840) 50 for $4950
Bundle 2: Web Design Studio - as above + Director 8.5 Shockwave studio + Authorware plus curriculum materials 30 for $4400 - (local - $32,550)
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"bill" == Bill Kerr <kerrb@senet.com.au> writes:
bill> has anyone written an evaluation of the dreamweaver / asp / bill> php / flash approach compared with the zope approach ? I bill> don't know much about it myself I'm looking for something to bill> find out more more myself and to show to colleagues who bill> unthinkingly are going down the commercial path looking for bill> something analytical and substantial that would stand up to bill> scrutiny and help me identify the key issues ie. separation bill> of presentation from logic but going into it, not just bill> stating it meanwhile, I'll keep learning zope and python, bill> which I'm enjoying btw thanks! - Bill Kerr ps,. here's an bill> extract from the mail that prompted this question prices are bill> educational (I'm a school teacher) pps. I'm chucking in asp bill> and php because someone told me that dreamweaver supports bill> them There is some Dreamweaver support for Zope. IMHO they (all the tools you've listed) accomplish different things. Why not use what is most suitable? php is opensource as well. best, -tony -- A.J. Rossini Rsrch. Asst. Prof. of Biostatistics U. of Washington Biostatistics rossini@u.washington.edu FHCRC/SCHARP/HIV Vaccine Trials Net rossini@scharp.org -------------- http://software.biostat.washington.edu/ ---------------- FHCRC: M: 206-667-7025 (fax=4812)|Voicemail is pretty sketchy/use Email UW: Th: 206-543-1044 (fax=3286)|Change last 4 digits of phone to FAX (my tuesday/wednesday/friday locations are completely unpredictable.)
Tony, others, thanks for the feedback on my dumb question sorry my post didn't quite fit the subject head either OK, I'm on a learning curve here I have this thought in my head based on what someone told me a while back that Zope is better, yes better, in a strategic long term sense than asp or php because zope separates logic from presentation whereas asp, php does not straighten me out on my fuzzy thinking by all means - Bill Kerr from the dictionary (for my benefit no one elses) PHP is an alternative to Microsoft's Active Server Page (ASP) technology. As with ASP, the PHP script is embedded within a Web page along with its HTML. Before the page is sent to a user that has requested it, the Web server calls PHP to interpret and perform the operations called for in the PHP script. An HTML page that includes a PHP script is typically given a file name suffix of ".php" ".php3," or ".phtml". Like ASP, PHP can be thought of as "dynamic HTML pages," since content will vary based on the results of interpreting the script. PHP is free and offered under an open source license. From: "A.J. Rossini" <rossini@blindglobe.net> To: "Bill Kerr" <kerrb@senet.com.au> Cc: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:46 PM Subject: [Zope] commercial versus open source
"bill" == Bill Kerr <kerrb@senet.com.au> writes:
bill> has anyone written an evaluation of the dreamweaver / asp / bill> php / flash approach compared with the zope approach ? I bill> don't know much about it myself I'm looking for something to bill> find out more more myself and to show to colleagues who bill> unthinkingly are going down the commercial path looking for bill> something analytical and substantial that would stand up to bill> scrutiny and help me identify the key issues ie. separation bill> of presentation from logic but going into it, not just bill> stating it meanwhile, I'll keep learning zope and python, bill> which I'm enjoying btw thanks! - Bill Kerr ps,. here's an bill> extract from the mail that prompted this question prices are bill> educational (I'm a school teacher) pps. I'm chucking in asp bill> and php because someone told me that dreamweaver supports bill> them
There is some Dreamweaver support for Zope. IMHO they (all the tools you've listed) accomplish different things. Why not use what is most suitable? php is opensource as well.
best, -tony
-- A.J. Rossini Rsrch. Asst. Prof. of Biostatistics U. of Washington Biostatistics rossini@u.washington.edu FHCRC/SCHARP/HIV Vaccine Trials Net rossini@scharp.org -------------- http://software.biostat.washington.edu/ ---------------- FHCRC: M: 206-667-7025 (fax=4812)|Voicemail is pretty sketchy/use Email UW: Th: 206-543-1044 (fax=3286)|Change last 4 digits of phone to FAX (my tuesday/wednesday/friday locations are completely unpredictable.)
Not completely to you point, but maybe this helps: ADT's Programmers Report: Open-source servers today http://www.adtmag.com/article.asp?id=6461 zope's mentioned, too cheers, oliver
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