Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows
" The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to care about the Windows platform. " ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced. On 10/11/06, Andreas Jung <lists@zopyx.com> wrote:
--On 11. Oktober 2006 11:18:42 -0700 yary <not.com@gmail.com> wrote:
For the last week or two, only Zope 3 has been available to windows users for download from http://www.zope.org/Products - can the powers that be publish the win32 installers for 2.9.5/2.10.0?
The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to care about the Windows platform.
-aj
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11 Oct 2006, at 17:14, michael nt milne wrote:
" The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to care about the Windows platform.
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ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced.
Who do you think you are insulting people who actually invest a lot of their spare time in the software and in the community? You being an annoying troll is helping no one, and it certainly won't get Windows builds done. jens -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFLW7/RAx5nvEhZLIRAvVzAKCRyMg8a1h47Wto8h2ozUnjnGIq4gCfXQtp 7jGlpaWBQ/VOEHbCmSezY5s= =1kb5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
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On 11 Oct 2006, at 17:14, michael nt milne wrote:
" The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to care about the Windows platform.
"
ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced.
Who do you think you are insulting people who actually invest a lot of their spare time in the software and in the community? You being an annoying troll is helping no one, and it certainly won't get Windows builds done.
Haha, just add him to your email blacklist, saves a lot of trouble ;-) For the record, the releases are not available because no-one is capable rather than motivated to produce them. Having built a couple, Windows releases are a royal PITA even if everything goes smoothly... Now Michael, unless you're prepared to build these releases yourself, I less than politely suggest you STFU... Chris PS: For the non-trolls on this list, I believe Sidnei da Silva is thinking about taking up this painful task... send him beer/love/money and he might be further persuaded... PPS: We all might also like to thank Tim Peters for doing such a good job of building Windows releases in the past that no-one noticed the delay between the source and binary release... -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk
I think that "volunteer to care" was the crucial phrase with focus on the word 'care'. Now perhaps I read it the wrong way and I apologise if I did but Andreas has been very anti-Windows in the past. Perhaps the word 'ignorant' is slighty harsh. I still feel there is a lot of anti-Windows feeling and whilst I don't prefer the platform I feel it should be well supported. Perhaps Enfold could help with Zope Windows builds as they have done with Plone Windows builds which are fantastic? I have occasionally attempted to install separate Zope instances on Windows and have achieved that but obviously installers are the ultimate for exposure. On 10/12/06, Chris Withers <chris@simplistix.co.uk> wrote:
Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
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On 11 Oct 2006, at 17:14, michael nt milne wrote:
" The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to care about the Windows platform.
"
ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced.
Who do you think you are insulting people who actually invest a lot of their spare time in the software and in the community? You being an annoying troll is helping no one, and it certainly won't get Windows builds done.
Haha, just add him to your email blacklist, saves a lot of trouble ;-)
For the record, the releases are not available because no-one is capable rather than motivated to produce them.
Having built a couple, Windows releases are a royal PITA even if everything goes smoothly...
Now Michael, unless you're prepared to build these releases yourself, I less than politely suggest you STFU...
Chris
PS: For the non-trolls on this list, I believe Sidnei da Silva is thinking about taking up this painful task... send him beer/love/money and he might be further persuaded...
PPS: We all might also like to thank Tim Peters for doing such a good job of building Windows releases in the past that no-one noticed the delay between the source and binary release... -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk
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Michael, why don't YOU volunteer to do it? It seems that you are making money using Zope/Plone which is fine - but this would be a way to actually give something back to the community. Regards Maik
michael nt milne wrote at 2006-10-12 10:06 +0100:
... I still feel there is a lot of anti-Windows feeling and whilst I don't prefer the platform I feel it should be well supported.
In fact, Windows is better supported than other platforms. But, unfortunately, its users need even much more support... While other platforms are happy with a source release, Windows users expect a binary release, because they neither want to pay MS for a compiler (good!) nor want to install the priceless Cygwin (which brings a compiler with it) and generate the executables themselves (as users of other platforms do). This indicates three options for you: 1. You volunteer to build the Windows binaries 2. You wait until another volunteer has build and provided the Windows binaries 3. You do as other platform users do it and build your own executables. -- Dieter
On 12/10/06, Dieter Maurer <dieter@handshake.de> wrote: ...
nor want to install the priceless Cygwin (which brings a compiler with it) and generate the executables themselves (as users of other platforms do).
Cygwin isn't mentioned in the windows install doc, and indeed a conscientious user such as myself my find Zope a insider posting "You need either the Visual C++ Toolkit 2003 (not publicly available anymore) or Visual Studio .NET 2003" (http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.devel/12915 )- which discouraged me from trying a cygwin build... I already have a cygwin python after all, and build from source frequently on several platforms... it would work for my development, though perhaps a harder sell for my client's production. I read archives of a prior discussion mentioning the possibility of packaging a release from the nightly builds- can't find the builds available for d/l though. Here's my vote... oh and just found this recent discussion which indicates that "the wheels are in motion": http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/dev/202633 Sorry for inadvertently opening a thread that started some flames, the missing win executables looked like a simple oversight to me. In general I like platform-neutrality, and take as an article of faith that a wide range of supported platforms indicates quality code and thoughtful designers. It also makes pitching a project easier!
--On 12. Oktober 2006 09:07:04 +0100 Chris Withers <chris@simplistix.co.uk> wrote:
Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
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On 11 Oct 2006, at 17:14, michael nt milne wrote:
" The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to care about the Windows platform.
"
ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced.
Who do you think you are insulting people who actually invest a lot of their spare time in the software and in the community? You being an annoying troll is helping no one, and it certainly won't get Windows builds done.
Haha, just add him to your email blacklist, saves a lot of trouble ;-)
For the record, the releases are not available because no-one is capable rather than motivated to produce them.
Having built a couple, Windows releases are a royal PITA even if everything goes smoothly...
Now Michael, unless you're prepared to build these releases yourself, I less than politely suggest you STFU...
@Chris: what is STFU? @Michael: You're a numpty and a troll. If you don't know what 'numpty' means, see <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numpty> My posting did not contain a single line that I would not care about the Windows releases. In fact I have been after people like Christian Theune, Chris Withers and Tim Peters to provide Windows builds after releasing the source code distributions. In addition I asked some days ago on the zope-dev list about Windows maintainer problem. Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb and troll-compatible postings, please just shut up. You're not in the position to tell me that I would be ignorant on Windows. I am usually ignorant on Windows issues in general (for a variety of reasons) *but* I am trying to delegate the issue to other ppl. That's a big difference. Andreas
Andreas Jung wrote:
@Chris: what is STFU?
Heh, I was trying to be polite, but hey, why change the habit of a lifetime? ;-) STFU = Shut The Fuck Up :-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk
Michael, michael nt milne wrote:
ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced.
Volunteer to look after Windows if you want to fix this, but do not insult those who have volunteered to look after other platforms. Re-read what Andreas said ("there is no current maintainer, we do not have a volunteer", in essence) and what you said ("ignorant thinking"), and see if you can spot your mistake - you are attacking Andreas for not taking ownership of a platform he does /not/ use, in the context of his work to look after a platform he /does/ use. You really do need to stop "shooting from the hip". -- Regards, PhilK "Say what you mean. Bear witness. Iterate." —John M. Ford
Volunteer to look after Windows if you want to fix this, but do not insult those who have volunteered to look after other platforms.
Re-read what Andreas said ("there is no current maintainer, we do not have a volunteer", in essence) and what you said ("ignorant thinking"), and see if you can spot your mistake - you are attacking Andreas for not taking ownership of a platform he does /not/ use, in the context of his work to look after a platform he /does/ use.
+10 Michael, if you really think there is a need for a windows platform maintainer then please step up and bring youself in or sponsor someone to do it. But just insulting those that already invest a lot of their time like Andreas is absolutely counterproductive and shows that you have not understood the concepts of OSS at all. just my 5c Maik
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