I tried to follow the navigation example from the Zope Book that's online. I made a tree that looks like the following: root projects jobengine requirements specifications outbound When I'm in the projects folder, I see the folder below it (and the links work). When I go up to one of those folders, though, I don't see any of the subfolders at that level. Here is what I have in the footer (taken from the example verbatim): Projects:  <dtml-in expr="objectValues('Folder')"> *<a href="&dtml-absolute_url;"><dtml-var title_or_id></a> </dtml-in> At the second level I don't even get the asterisks so it's not finding anything. Each of the folders at the next level (requirments, specifications...) has an index_html DTML method in it. I thought it might be something with access control but there are no user folders in any of the sub sub folders. I'm discouraged that something taken right from the book doesn't work! Thanks, Rob Williams