[Grok-dev] Re: maintaining the Grok website

[Martin Aspeli]

Hi Maritjn,

>>> * we explore the use of a CMS. I know Sebastian is building one with 
>>> Grok. Darryl has one too. Then we probably have enough people on board 
>>> with knowledge of two Zope 2 CMSes: Plone and Silva, so those are 
>>> options too. The latter options are attractive as they're more 
>>> feature-rich than the Grok-based ones.
>> Please don't take this the wrong way, but I think you're mad to want to 
>> invent a new CMS in Grok. If a great one existed already, of course 
>> that'd be good. Having a project that community was vested in will also 
>> help you maintain it and keep it up to date (like plone.org does to 
>> Plone, PloneHelpCenter and PloneSoftwareCenter). But this really stinks 
>> of NIH.
> 
> I think you took me the wrong way entirely. You seem to be forgetting 
> that I was lead developer on the Silva *CMS* for years? It's pretty 
> amusing you are arguing with me that using a CMS has its advantages. :)

I wasn't arguing with you, Martijn, at least I didn't realise it. :)

> I don't think anyone is mad for wanting to create a new CMS with Grok. 

No, no, neither do I ...

> It's not like the final CMS has been written and nobody can write a new 
> one anymore, after all.  I think you actually agree, you just express 
> yourself badly. :)

Right - I think that's the case. My argument was about the website only, 
not about the use of Grok in general, though I realise upon re-reading 
it that it didn't quite sound that way. My point was more - don't spent 
lots of time right now inventing a solution when one already exists, and 
when you have an immediate need for a website.

> There are already two projects to create a CMS for Grok. We can 
> definitely explore using them, right?

Yep, of course. But to my knowledge, none of them are complete, tested 
or "owned" by the community, at this point, and you're seeking a website 
solution now, not in six or twelve months. Having a more maintable 
website now will ultimately make it more likely that the Grok CMS' 
evolve quicker, if Grok gets more uptake.

> Yes, indeed. As I wrote:
> 
>  >> Then we probably have enough people on board
>  >> with knowledge of two Zope 2 CMSes: Plone and Silva, so those are
>  >> options too. The latter options are attractive as they're more
>  >> feature-rich than the Grok-based ones.
> 
> I don't think your rather heavy-handed Plone advocacy was really 
> appropriate here.

Apologies - I didn't realise it would cause offence, that certainly 
wasn't my intention.

Martin

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