[ZDP] Re: Stuff

[ethan mindlace fremen]

Maik.Röder wrote:
> 
> Hi !
> 
> Rik Hoekstra schrieb:

> The ZDP is aiming to become the starting point for the Zope
> community.

How does this interact with zope.org itself?

> > > A colleague of mine raised an interesting point: To many people, the
> > > Zope community is actually very inpenetrable as you don't know who to
> > > trust or believe and, of course, it's very unclear as to where you
> > > shoudl get docs and other information from. Maybe we should suggest this
> > > problem to Ethan when he returns?

I have returned, and there will be several changes soon. While I
understand what's being said here, is it very confusing to select "docs"
and find documentaiton there? 

> > Hm, never thought about this that way, but it's probably true. While
> > Ethan does a good job, I think this is (still) partly  a result of the
> > unhelpful Zope site.

The zope site is attempting to become more comprehensive.

http://www.zope.org/Wikis/zope-web

is where the development will be documented:  At the moment it's locked
in a version, but that should be fixed by this evening.
 
> The software on the Zope.org site is not open, so the only thing we can
> do is do our own thing on ZDP.

How is the software on the Zope.org site not open?  How would it be
open?  How is the software on the ZDP open? As an anonymous user, I can
view_source at zope.org, but there seems to be no comparable
functionality on ZDP.
 
> > The mailing list is helpful, but it's just too much.
> 
> I hope that we can integrate the mailing list in the ZDP site, so
> extracting, citing and giving credit is easier.

Heh.  And I hope to see this in zope.org, too :)
 
> > And starting using Zope is still too difficult (as has been repeated for a
> > thousand times). This taken together, ZOpe has no real starting point.
> > This _will_ put off many people.
> 
> You can go to one of the ZDP portals for a start. There is a starting
> point for each type of user. If what you expect to be there isn't
> existing, you can do something about it, because the ZDP site is
> completely open.

We're going to be emphasizing this too, though we're planning on carving
things into only three groups:  developers, site builders, and buisness
folks.
 
I am here to work with the community.  I understand why there's a
perception that D.C. has been less than responsive, but it's my job to
help change that.

-- 
ethan mindlace fremen
Zopatista Community Liason