You know, since we were forced to decide on Plumtree as a portal, that so thin and only and just a portal product, I have been thinking of Zope as a WIF -- web infrastructure framework. It is almost a complete 180 degree difference. To bring the message home, I use Zope as a Gadget server to Plumtree's shallow portal layer. Regards, Albert Boulanger vPatch Technologies aboulanger@vpatch.com