[Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

[yuppie]

Hi Chris!


Chris Withers wrote:
> (updating myself much much later)

(replying much much later)

> Chris Withers wrote:
>> yuppie wrote:
>>>>> You ripped my sentence out of context. We were talking about Zope 
>>>>> 2.12. And Zope 2.12 currently doesn't use buildout for setting up 
>>>>> instances.
>>>> Sure it does. I've published the recipe. There's no more needed than 
>>>> that...
>>> Your recipe is not published as part of Zope 2.12. 
>> I'm not sure it needs to...
> 
> It will be once Jens cranks the handle:
> 
> http://svn.zope.org/Zope/branches/2.12/doc/INSTALL.rst?rev=104817&view=auto
> 
>>> And it doesn't work on Windows.
>> Have you tried it?
> 
> ...if you had, you would have noticed that the Win32 service stuff as 
> broken, even without using buildout.

No. I did have tried with mkzopeinstance and zopeservice.py. And it did 
work for me.

> I've now fixed that, and I'm happy to report that the buildout-based 
> instances work just fine on Windows, and buildout instance or not, you 
> no longer need that silly zopeservice.py file in your instance.

That's a great improvement. I just found a small regression, see 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope2/+bug/461446

> So, no excuse for needing mkzopeinstance and its ilk anymore ;-)

In some situations I still prefer the classic way to create instances.

You might have noticed that the "Creating a classic Zope Instance" 
section in INSTALL.rst is much simpler than the "Creating a 
buildout-based Zope Instance" section.

And there is still the question about the right way to work with dev 
eggs. I quote your question from an other mail in this thread because I 
didn't answer it so far:

>> The dev eggs are local to my dev buildout, but not local to the test instances.
>
> What does this actually mean? For me, a "dev egg" is usually just an svn checkout, specified in {buildout:develop}. For me, they're never usually in any "buildout", unless the package itself is buildout-driven and I'm actually developing it, but that has nothing to do with my test instances... That said, I often use a few "dev eggs" that aren't buildout driven at all, so I really fail to see your point...

http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/CMF.buildout/trunk has a src directory 
with several svn externals. Buildout includes the dev eggs from the src 
directory.

http://svn.plone.org/svn/plone/buildouts/plone-coredev/trunk uses 
mr.developer to use the src directory in a similar way.

The dev eggs are created before running the buildout command, but they 
belong to a specific buildout.

That sometimes makes "buildout-based" Zope instances more clumsy than 
classic instances.


Cheers,

	Yuppie