[Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zc.buildout/ Moved to github

[Jean-Paul Smets]

Hi,

I approve your position Jens.

Moving to git can make sense. Moving to github as primary platform does 
not make sense.

Github is a proprietary platform. There is really no justification in 
using a proprietary platform for open source projects, especially 
considering that many open source alternatives exist and that nothing 
prevents from using github as a mirror (for marketing purpose for example).

It is not only depressing to see open source communities not eating 
their own dog food but also irresponsible.

It is irresponsible because Cloud / SaaS is far from reliable. Please 
read this to get an idea. 
(http://iwgcr.org/paris-university-and-telecom-paristech-publish-availability-ranking-of-world-cloud-computing/). 
Service outages are not rare.

It is irresponsible because it sends a message to the market that open 
source is not competitive (else open source communities would use it for 
themselves). Many open source git hosting solutions do exist (incl. 
gitorious, gitlab, indefero). Why not use them ?

On a more positive side, Nexedi is currently sponsoring the port of 
Gitlab (http://gitlabhq.com/) open source git platform to SlapOS ( 
http://www.slapos.org/) open source Cloud. This means that there will in 
a few days a python based, Zope based, buildout based and fully 
resilient platform to host open source projects, with the ability to 
manage copies of source code on servers all around the world in a true 
community fashion.

And after reading today's message, I got so upset that I decided that 
Nexedi will use SlapOS to offer hosting to any open source Zope 
community project which believes enough in open source values to use 
open source tools rather than proprietary ones. This will include free 
support to any open source Zope project willing to manage its own SlapOS 
platform rather rely on ours. Let us see if Zope community will be the 
first or the last to eat its own dog food ;-).

Regards,

JPS.
Nexedi CEO

PS. I do not mind behind hated for using the word "irresponsible", 
whooever took the decision to use github. I do mean it.

Le 18/08/2012 09:49, Jens Vagelpohl a écrit :
> Hi Alex,
>
> Please revert this checkin. You can't just take core software pieces from Zope Foundation-hosted repositories and move them somewhere else.
>
> Thanks!
>
> jens
>
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2012, at 3:09 , J. Alexander Clark<cvs-admin at zope.org>  wrote:
>
>> Log message for revision 127519:
>>   Moved to github
>>
>>
>> Changed:
>>   A   zc.buildout/README_MOVED_TO_GITHUB.txt
>>   D   zc.buildout/trunk/
>>
>> -=-
>> Added: zc.buildout/README_MOVED_TO_GITHUB.txt
>> ===================================================================
>> --- zc.buildout/README_MOVED_TO_GITHUB.txt	                        (rev 0)
>> +++ zc.buildout/README_MOVED_TO_GITHUB.txt	2012-08-18 01:09:06 UTC (rev 127519)
>> @@ -0,0 +1 @@
>> +https://github.com/buildout/buildout/tree/1.6.x
>>
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