[ZWeb] Re: IA for zope.org

[seb bacon]

Paul, others,

I'm afraid I only got your mail at the end of our working day.  As it 
happens, I prodded Max today too, and he's promised some action :-)

I am very busy of course, but I am totally committed to making this 
work.  I've already put a lot of effort into it and I share your 
frustration with trying to get people to respond.  If ever a thread 
starts up about 'what's wrong with the community' (the last of which was 
partly my attempt to get some response out of people), there's always a 
load of feedback, but when it comes to action, everything stalls.

We should have a meeting, but perhaps we could do this tomorrow? 
(12:00EST is OK with me).

seb

> 
> Crap, only two responses to this (Olivier and Lennart).  While I realize 
> everyone is pretty busy (as I have been for the last four weeks), it has 
> also been months since we kicked off this community effort to improve 
> zope.org.
> 
> I'd like to reemphasize my desire to make progress this week.
> 
> Lennart, Olivier, MaxM, Seb, or others -- do you have time for an IRC 
> appointment today at 12:00 eastern?  Duration: 45 minutes.  Agenda: 
> answer and finalize the initial round of IA questions and plan mockups.
> 
> For those of you that can't be available on such short notice, you'll 
> get another chance or two this week to participate.
> 
> --Paul
> 
> Paul wrote:
> 
>>> In the note below, Lennart refines what MaxM proposed as an IA.
>>> Lennart's note was 26 days ago, which is plenty of time for debate.  I
>>> propose that we adopt its structure and intent, and declare the basic
>>> approach of the IA to be settled enough to take the next steps.
>>>
>>> We also had a round of design mockups along with vote collecting,
>>> courtesy of Olivier and IngeniWeb.  Since the highest vote-getter also
>>> happens to be the one I like the most, I propose that we focus on it. 
>>> :^)
>>>
>>> Thus, I believe we can move to the next phase.  On the IA side, I'd like
>>> to work with MaxM and Lennart to get final agreement on the specifics of
>>> each axis, and with Olivier to have this reflected into a Plone skin.
>>>
>>> I propose that we have a zope.org day sometime next week, where we have
>>> some dedicated IRC time.  We can have a session in the morning (for
>>> Europeans) and in the afternoon (for west coast people).
>>>
>>> I think we are close to concluding an important step!
>>>
>>> --Paul
>>>
>>> Lennart Regebro wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wouldn't mind having two different paths to the content, one 
>>>> according
>>>
>>>
>> to
>>
>>>> type, and one on the intended audience. It would require two separate
>>>
>>>
>> menus,
>>
>>>> and to make it clear that they are unrelated one should in that case be
>>>> organized vertically and one horizontally. Something like this:
>>>>
>>>> -----------------
>>>> BIG
>>>> ZOPE       Newbies     Webmasters    Developers     Members    Search
>>>> LOGO
>>>>
>>>> News
>>>> Documentation
>>>>   How-To's
>>>>   Technical features
>>>>   The Zope Book
>>>>   Books in print
>>>> Download
>>>>   Newest Zope
>>>>   Latest beta
>>>>   Featured products
>>>>   Products
>>>> Community
>>>>   Members
>>>>   Mailing list
>>>>   Archives
>>>> ------------------
>>>>
>>>> Under "Newbies" you would find things like:
>>>> Introduction/What is Zope
>>>> Getting started
>>>>
>>>> Under Webmasters:
>>>> DTML-Manual (ie direct link to the relevant parts of the Zope book, I
>>>
>>>
>> guess)
>>
>>>> ZPT-manuals (------"-------)
>>>> Most popular products
>>>> Frequently asked questions
>>>> Join the zope-list
>>>>
>>>> Under Developers:
>>>> Getting started with ZClasses
>>>> Setting up a good python development environment
>>>> ZClasses manual
>>>> Developers manual
>>>> Join the zope-list
>>>>
>>>> Under Members:
>>>> Join
>>>> Login
>>>>
>>>> Under Search:
>>>> Possibility to search only how-tos, only products and so on...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do see a difference between "webmasters" and "developers", ie between
>>>
>>>
>> the
>>
>>>> people that create sites and the people that create products. Maybe 
>>>> this
>>>> difference doesn't really exist, but I do think that there is a huge
>>>> difference between these two things, and it would be quite possible to
>>>
>>>
>> split
>>
>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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