[ZWeb] Re: IA for zope.org
Paul Everitt
paul@zope.com
Wed, 03 Apr 2002 10:27:06 -0500
If it's cool for Lennart and Olivier, it's cool by me. And perhaps we
should plan to *also* chat on Friday as well as tomorrow.
--Paul
seb bacon wrote:
> Can't do that.
>
> Howe about either 12EST on Thurs, or any time Friday?
>
> seb
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> On Tue, 2002-04-02 at 21:42, Paul Everitt wrote:
>
>>No problem, there will be more chances at chatting this week.
>>
>>Olivier, Lennart, and I had a productive chat, which I'm sure will give
>>us all a new round of optimism. I have the log and I'm writing up the
>>stuff we settled on. Lennart did a lot of work to consolidate the
>>various ideas on section layout. In the next few hours I'll post
>>something back here with a narrative.
>>
>>It appears that all of the people active in this effort, except me, are
>>in Europe. Perhaps we should plan the next IRC to be earlier in the
>>day. How about 10AM Eastern on Thursday (4PM in France)?
>>
>>--Paul
>>
>>seb bacon wrote:
>>
>>>Paul, others,
>>>
>>>I'm afraid I only got your mail at the end of our working day. As it
>>>happens, I prodded Max today too, and he's promised some action :-)
>>>
>>>I am very busy of course, but I am totally committed to making this
>>>work. I've already put a lot of effort into it and I share your
>>>frustration with trying to get people to respond. If ever a thread
>>>starts up about 'what's wrong with the community' (the last of which was
>>>partly my attempt to get some response out of people), there's always a
>>>load of feedback, but when it comes to action, everything stalls.
>>>
>>>We should have a meeting, but perhaps we could do this tomorrow?
>>>(12:00EST is OK with me).
>>>
>>>seb
>>>
>>>
>>>>Crap, only two responses to this (Olivier and Lennart). While I
>>>>realize everyone is pretty busy (as I have been for the last four
>>>>weeks), it has also been months since we kicked off this community
>>>>effort to improve zope.org.
>>>>
>>>>I'd like to reemphasize my desire to make progress this week.
>>>>
>>>>Lennart, Olivier, MaxM, Seb, or others -- do you have time for an IRC
>>>>appointment today at 12:00 eastern? Duration: 45 minutes. Agenda:
>>>>answer and finalize the initial round of IA questions and plan mockups.
>>>>
>>>>For those of you that can't be available on such short notice, you'll
>>>>get another chance or two this week to participate.
>>>>
>>>>--Paul
>>>>
>>>>Paul wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>In the note below, Lennart refines what MaxM proposed as an IA.
>>>>>>Lennart's note was 26 days ago, which is plenty of time for debate. I
>>>>>>propose that we adopt its structure and intent, and declare the basic
>>>>>>approach of the IA to be settled enough to take the next steps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We also had a round of design mockups along with vote collecting,
>>>>>>courtesy of Olivier and IngeniWeb. Since the highest vote-getter also
>>>>>>happens to be the one I like the most, I propose that we focus on
>>>>>>it. :^)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thus, I believe we can move to the next phase. On the IA side, I'd
>>>>>>like
>>>>>>to work with MaxM and Lennart to get final agreement on the
>>>>>>specifics of
>>>>>>each axis, and with Olivier to have this reflected into a Plone skin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I propose that we have a zope.org day sometime next week, where we have
>>>>>>some dedicated IRC time. We can have a session in the morning (for
>>>>>>Europeans) and in the afternoon (for west coast people).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think we are close to concluding an important step!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Lennart Regebro wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I wouldn't mind having two different paths to the content, one
>>>>>>>according
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>type, and one on the intended audience. It would require two separate
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>menus,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>and to make it clear that they are unrelated one should in that
>>>>>>>case be
>>>>>>>organized vertically and one horizontally. Something like this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----------------
>>>>>>>BIG
>>>>>>>ZOPE Newbies Webmasters Developers Members Search
>>>>>>>LOGO
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>News
>>>>>>>Documentation
>>>>>>> How-To's
>>>>>>> Technical features
>>>>>>> The Zope Book
>>>>>>> Books in print
>>>>>>>Download
>>>>>>> Newest Zope
>>>>>>> Latest beta
>>>>>>> Featured products
>>>>>>> Products
>>>>>>>Community
>>>>>>> Members
>>>>>>> Mailing list
>>>>>>> Archives
>>>>>>>------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Under "Newbies" you would find things like:
>>>>>>>Introduction/What is Zope
>>>>>>>Getting started
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Under Webmasters:
>>>>>>>DTML-Manual (ie direct link to the relevant parts of the Zope book, I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>guess)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>ZPT-manuals (------"-------)
>>>>>>>Most popular products
>>>>>>>Frequently asked questions
>>>>>>>Join the zope-list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Under Developers:
>>>>>>>Getting started with ZClasses
>>>>>>>Setting up a good python development environment
>>>>>>>ZClasses manual
>>>>>>>Developers manual
>>>>>>>Join the zope-list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Under Members:
>>>>>>>Join
>>>>>>>Login
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Under Search:
>>>>>>>Possibility to search only how-tos, only products and so on...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I do see a difference between "webmasters" and "developers", ie
>>>>>>>between
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>people that create sites and the people that create products. Maybe
>>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>difference doesn't really exist, but I do think that there is a huge
>>>>>>>difference between these two things, and it would be quite possible to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>split
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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