[Zope] Zope lobbyists, anyone?

[Kevin Dangoor]

My gut feeling, based on the messages you attached from your ISP admin
is that they are not going to let you run Zope. They don't seem to
be very flexible. Flexibility costs money (in terms of support)... and, as
stated in a previous thread, hosting Zope is a lot more expensive than
basic web hosting because of the resouce usage. The resident size of 
Zope looks to be dependent upon the size of your database, cache
parameters, etc. It's probably minimally 4M though.

Kevin

On Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 01:44:37AM -0600, Chris Larson wrote: 
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| I'm trying to get Zope running at my ISP, and want to be able to lobby 
| them as best I can. To this end, I'm trying to get as best a handle on 
| the, um, environmental impact, let's say, of running Zope as I can. Can 
| someone help me out here, mebbe point me to an overview of what exactly 
| is required, vis-a-vis system resources? My site at this point is fairly 
| low traffic, and fairly simple. I've posted a couple of short responses 
| I've had in discussion with the admin below. I'd like to be able to 
| respond to him with as much technical impact info as possible. How much 
| memory is expected to be used, is the program gonna be launching multiple 
| processes, etc.
| 
| As I understand it, Zope launches one process, and that's it. Part of the 
| problem right now is that I'm playing with it in a user account that 
| launches processes as user 'www', and that Zope is very unstable in the 
| current environment. Apparently, nfs causes rapid corruption of the 
| database, causing 'serious application errors' following which I have a 
| hard time tracking down and/or killing the process(es) left behind. This 
| situation should change soon, as far as the 'user' running the processes 
| at least.
| 
| In a nutshell, I'm a relatively uninformed  newbie, with an intermittent 
| relationship with unix (linux), and I'm trying to figure out why nfs 
| kills Zope, while I wait for my ISP to migrate my Apache virtual account 
| to a machine with Python 1.5.1, after which at least processes will be 
| launched as my user. I desperately want to implement Zope, but am faced 
| with the issues of system impact, of which I have no idea, with the 
| probability that I'll be faced with a no-threads Python (RedHat default, 
| see below), with an ISP who may be reluctant to allow me to implement 
| Zope, depending on the above-mentioned impact, and with the fact that I'm 
| probably be stuck dealing with nfs.
| 
| If any of the above are killers, I'd appreciate a heads-up, and if anyone 
| can provide me with a concise overview of what Zope'll do to the systemm 
| and/or other issues that might frighten an ISP away, I would be eternally 
| (well, indefinitely, at least) indebted.
| 
| Actually, it would be nice if the resource stuff were covered in the ISP 
| FAQ, no?
| 
| Much, much thanks,
| 
| Chris Larson
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| On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Chris Larson wrote:
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| > Does the system kill long-running processes initiated by users who are 
| > not logged in? If I have a cgi-wrapper that launches a process, will that 
| > process remain running, as it should, or will it be killed?
| 
| It only kills them when the parent process dies.  A long-term process may
| never die if the parent's don't die.  
| 
| BTW, I have had to kill copies of your python program on www-01 and www-03
| earlier today and last Saturday.  They seem to never die (because our
| webserver does not die and they don't exit on their own).  
| 
| Have you ever looked at other versions of this program?  It seems that the
| one you are using is trying to use an awful lot of resident memory on the
| systems.  If it gets to be repetitive that I am killing your processes,
| then I may have to disable your program alltogether (removing execute
| bits).
| 
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| On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Chris Larson wrote:
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| > I need access to a Python 1.5.1 or higher, compiled with threads.
| 
| We're just going to be using the default redhat-supported version of
| python (their compile).  I don't know if it is suitable for what you need.
| 
| >I need to be running everything on a machine where nfs will not come into 
| >play ... I've been able to get my application running on www-01, through my 
| > user account, but within a few minutes, everytime, the db becomes 
| > corrupted and I need to reinstall from scratch.
| 
| You might consider a database such as MySQL which we do have setup on our
| system and you can use it along with php or perl to handle a database. 
| Those databases are located on local directories and each virtual server
| has a mysql server running on it.
| 
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Kevin Dangoor
UUnet Technologies
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