[Zope] Zope magazine

[Mark Pratt]

whoaa. 

i don't think comparing the market size and subscriber
base of ZopeMag with Newsweek is fair or realistic.

why don't you compare ZopeMag's prices to a specialized
journal, newsletter or publication. thoses prices often
range from $1000 to $18000 a year.

why? because in my comparison your faced with the same
situation -- low volume publishing.

how many hours would 90 Euros buy you from an experienced
developer? 

cheers,

mark

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On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Marcello Parra Martins wrote:

> Just a correction: in the example of Newsweek, US$ 75 are for TWO years of
> subscription. One year is just US$ 43.
> For the price of one year of Zope magazine, you can subscribe TWO years of
> Newsweek.
> 
> You can say: So go and subscribe Newsweak !!!  But that's not the point. I'm
> just using it as a comparation.
> I liked the idea and want lng life to Zope Mag. But with this price you
> won't have much subscribers.
> 
> 
> Marcello Parra
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marcello Parra Martins" <lista@parra.locaweb.com.br>
> To: <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 11:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope magazine
> 
> 
> > I agree with you, but as a beginner, this magazine could be a good font of
> > information to me.
> > But I think they've made some mistakes:
> >
> > - why they did not offer the magazine free for some time, until they have
> > some more content ?
> >
> > - how many articles will be published each month ??
> >
> > - it's very expensive for a new online magazine. Take the example of
> > Newsweak: you subscribe for a year (108 PRINTED issues) for about US$
> 75,00.
> >    Zope magazine is 90 Euros (about US$ 80), more than a weekly (printed
> and
> > delivered) magazine. Sorry, but too expensive.
> >
> > I repeat: it's a great idea, but not the way they've made it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Marcello Parra
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Heimo Laukkanen" <huima@fountainpark.org>
> > To: <mark@beehive.de>
> > Cc: <zope@zope.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 11:01 AM
> > Subject: [Zope] Zope magazine
> >
> >
> > > Hi Mark ( and everyone on the c:d zope-mailinglist),
> > >
> > > just stumbled into Zopemag-site and saw what you at behiive have been
> > > up to (http://zopemag.com/Issue001/index.html). My first thougth was
> > > that what a nice idea, untill I realized that it isn't that great idea
> > > - since the magazine is based on paid subscriptions.
> > >
> > > I do know that people need to get paid for their work, but that also
> > > raises the question about what people are getting for the money they
> > > pay. For example judging by the first issue ( it is not fair to judge
> > > by the covers, I know ) , there isn't much to pay for yet.
> > >
> > > I am all up to educating people more about zope and canonical
> > > documents like good howto's reports, articles and books are propably
> > > the best guidance -- and after that people need technical
> > > documentation. Zopemag now raises a couple of questions:
> > >
> > > 1) What is editorial policy:
> > >       - who can and will contribute
> > >       - what do you will pay for the contributors
> > >
> > > 2) Openess policy
> > >       - how much content will be open in the future
> > >         for example would something like making the previous
> > >         numbers free be out of the question?
> > >       - what open services will be developed?
> > >
> > >
> > > If the world would be ideal place, I would like to see something like
> > > zopemag as a completely open system, or partly paid and for example
> > > archive as open content. I feel that magazine like content is really
> > > good to tie thing together and get people to find products and other
> > > howto's that migth interst them.
> > >
> > > Of course my point of view is only about educating people and myself,
> > > since I do not make money out of selling Zope-knowledge, even though I
> > > make money out of creating services and applications with Zope.
> > >
> > > Please answer and start discussion about what community could do to
> > > support something like zopemag and vice versa. I feel that if made
> > > well, something like zopemag could be really good -- like the really
> > > active personal zope-portals have sofar been.
> > >
> > > By the way - the idea of zope in intranet's is really well. I am just
> > > finishing my thesis to a polytechnic about building intranet to
> > > support implementation of strategy -- and supprise supprise
> > > as a case example I present an intranet built with Zope and CMF.
> > >
> > > -huima
> > >
> > >
> > >
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