[Zope] Zope magazine
Marcello Parra Martins
lista@parra.locaweb.com.br
Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:16:11 -0300
Hello Mark,
I don't think you have to mantain a free service and understand you have to
pay your bills.
I'd like to help you with that. Yesterday, when I first saw it, I loved the
idea and took my credit card to subscribe.
I gave up when I say the price...
You could think about an initial offer... you bet I would be the first to
subscribe.
Good luck to you.
Thanks a lot,
Marcello Parra
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Pratt" <mpratt@beehive.de>
To: "Marcello Parra Martins" <lista@parra.locaweb.com.br>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope magazine
> whoaa.
>
> i don't think comparing the market size and subscriber
> base of ZopeMag with Newsweek is fair or realistic.
>
> why don't you compare ZopeMag's prices to a specialized
> journal, newsletter or publication. thoses prices often
> range from $1000 to $18000 a year.
>
> why? because in my comparison your faced with the same
> situation -- low volume publishing.
>
> how many hours would 90 Euros buy you from an experienced
> developer?
>
> cheers,
>
> mark
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> mark pratt (managing director) mark@beehive.de
> beehive elektronische medien GmbH http://www.beehive.de
> phone: +49 30 847-82 0 fax: +49 30 847-82 299
>
> On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Marcello Parra Martins wrote:
>
> > Just a correction: in the example of Newsweek, US$ 75 are for TWO years
of
> > subscription. One year is just US$ 43.
> > For the price of one year of Zope magazine, you can subscribe TWO years
of
> > Newsweek.
> >
> > You can say: So go and subscribe Newsweak !!! But that's not the point.
I'm
> > just using it as a comparation.
> > I liked the idea and want lng life to Zope Mag. But with this price you
> > won't have much subscribers.
> >
> >
> > Marcello Parra
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marcello Parra Martins" <lista@parra.locaweb.com.br>
> > To: <zope@zope.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 11:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope magazine
> >
> >
> > > I agree with you, but as a beginner, this magazine could be a good
font of
> > > information to me.
> > > But I think they've made some mistakes:
> > >
> > > - why they did not offer the magazine free for some time, until they
have
> > > some more content ?
> > >
> > > - how many articles will be published each month ??
> > >
> > > - it's very expensive for a new online magazine. Take the example of
> > > Newsweak: you subscribe for a year (108 PRINTED issues) for about US$
> > 75,00.
> > > Zope magazine is 90 Euros (about US$ 80), more than a weekly
(printed
> > and
> > > delivered) magazine. Sorry, but too expensive.
> > >
> > > I repeat: it's a great idea, but not the way they've made it.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Marcello Parra
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Heimo Laukkanen" <huima@fountainpark.org>
> > > To: <mark@beehive.de>
> > > Cc: <zope@zope.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 11:01 AM
> > > Subject: [Zope] Zope magazine
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Mark ( and everyone on the c:d zope-mailinglist),
> > > >
> > > > just stumbled into Zopemag-site and saw what you at behiive have
been
> > > > up to (http://zopemag.com/Issue001/index.html). My first thougth was
> > > > that what a nice idea, untill I realized that it isn't that great
idea
> > > > - since the magazine is based on paid subscriptions.
> > > >
> > > > I do know that people need to get paid for their work, but that also
> > > > raises the question about what people are getting for the money they
> > > > pay. For example judging by the first issue ( it is not fair to
judge
> > > > by the covers, I know ) , there isn't much to pay for yet.
> > > >
> > > > I am all up to educating people more about zope and canonical
> > > > documents like good howto's reports, articles and books are propably
> > > > the best guidance -- and after that people need technical
> > > > documentation. Zopemag now raises a couple of questions:
> > > >
> > > > 1) What is editorial policy:
> > > > - who can and will contribute
> > > > - what do you will pay for the contributors
> > > >
> > > > 2) Openess policy
> > > > - how much content will be open in the future
> > > > for example would something like making the previous
> > > > numbers free be out of the question?
> > > > - what open services will be developed?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If the world would be ideal place, I would like to see something
like
> > > > zopemag as a completely open system, or partly paid and for example
> > > > archive as open content. I feel that magazine like content is really
> > > > good to tie thing together and get people to find products and other
> > > > howto's that migth interst them.
> > > >
> > > > Of course my point of view is only about educating people and
myself,
> > > > since I do not make money out of selling Zope-knowledge, even though
I
> > > > make money out of creating services and applications with Zope.
> > > >
> > > > Please answer and start discussion about what community could do to
> > > > support something like zopemag and vice versa. I feel that if made
> > > > well, something like zopemag could be really good -- like the really
> > > > active personal zope-portals have sofar been.
> > > >
> > > > By the way - the idea of zope in intranet's is really well. I am
just
> > > > finishing my thesis to a polytechnic about building intranet to
> > > > support implementation of strategy -- and supprise supprise
> > > > as a case example I present an intranet built with Zope and CMF.
> > > >
> > > > -huima
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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