[Zope] Zope magazine - The spirit of the community
Mark Pratt
mpratt@beehive.de
Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:13:50 +0200 (CEST)
> First off, kudos to Beehive for stepping up to develop this idea. Yes - it
> fits a need.
> But, Beehive's decision to charge for their contribution to the community
> seems more predatory or parasitic.
> I would rather see Beehive take ZC's posture of collaborating with the
> community in the spirit of open source development.
>
> When the community is having growing pains and so many people are spending
> time working on issues to FREELY offer Z2.6, Z3, the new zope.org
> architecture, ZPT, etc...It almost seems like a slap in the face to be
> charged to read about the work we are doing for community for free (the
> spirit of the community).
and we provided the facilities for a 3 day Zope 3 sprint and paid for
Jim Fulton to fly to Berlin to coach this session and give a 2 talks.
that unfortunately wasn't free. but we have no regrets.
in addition we have released free documentation in the past, this ZopeMag
issue includes a free article, not to mention written Open Source
software. i find your comment to be very unfair.
> If Beehive really wants to get into newsletter publishing, Beehive should
> offer this for free and have advertisers pay for it. After all - we are
> Zope users (OPEN SOURCE) with no pockets, NOT Oracle users with deep
> pockets.
i suggest you make your model work and compete with us who
can provide a better resource for the community.
what i truly don't understand is why some people within the
community refuse to recognize that everbody in the community
makes different types of contributions. we are not forcing
anybody to do anything but are trying to provide options.
its likely that some of our efforts have brought the community
new users. isn't that a good thing?
regardless of how you answer that last question. we think
it is.
cheers,
mark
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mark pratt (managing director) mark@beehive.de
beehive elektronische medien GmbH http://www.beehive.de
phone: +49 30 847-82 0 fax: +49 30 847-82 299
>
> I get industry weeklies *mailed* to me for Free that are paid for by
> advertising.
>
> but I digress...
>
> I value the development work much more than the marketing, therefore neither
>
> Is Beehive doing this because the community hasn't kept up with the news
> items on zope.org?
> Maybe Beehive should help the community develop this?
> Is Beehive attempting to split the community into groups that can pay and
> those that cant?
> And then you can further target those that can pay for your development
> services(which I here are very good)...
>
> If you have to charge...What is the money being used for?
> - to pay for hosting?
> - to pay the writers?
> - which writers?
> - guest writers?
> - beehive writers?
> - Can I get paid if I spend time to write an article?
> - do I get paid if my product is featured?
> - do I get paid if I spend my time
>
> If Beehive is defensive or impatient with their response, then I would have
> to say their intentions are less than noble.
>
> -Trevor
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Heimo
> > Laukkanen
> > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 10:02 AM
> > To: mark@beehive.de
> > Cc: zope@zope.org
> > Subject: [Zope] Zope magazine
> >
> >
> > Hi Mark ( and everyone on the c:d zope-mailinglist),
> >
> > just stumbled into Zopemag-site and saw what you at behiive have been
> > up to (http://zopemag.com/Issue001/index.html). My first thougth was
> > that what a nice idea, untill I realized that it isn't that great idea
> > - since the magazine is based on paid subscriptions.
> >
> > I do know that people need to get paid for their work, but that also
> > raises the question about what people are getting for the money they
> > pay. For example judging by the first issue ( it is not fair to judge
> > by the covers, I know ) , there isn't much to pay for yet.
> >
> > I am all up to educating people more about zope and canonical
> > documents like good howto's reports, articles and books are propably
> > the best guidance -- and after that people need technical
> > documentation. Zopemag now raises a couple of questions:
> >
> > 1) What is editorial policy:
> > - who can and will contribute
> > - what do you will pay for the contributors
> >
> > 2) Openess policy
> > - how much content will be open in the future
> > for example would something like making the previous
> > numbers free be out of the question?
> > - what open services will be developed?
> >
> >
> > If the world would be ideal place, I would like to see something like
> > zopemag as a completely open system, or partly paid and for example
> > archive as open content. I feel that magazine like content is really
> > good to tie thing together and get people to find products and other
> > howto's that migth interst them.
> >
> > Of course my point of view is only about educating people and myself,
> > since I do not make money out of selling Zope-knowledge, even though I
> > make money out of creating services and applications with Zope.
> >
> > Please answer and start discussion about what community could do to
> > support something like zopemag and vice versa. I feel that if made
> > well, something like zopemag could be really good -- like the really
> > active personal zope-portals have sofar been.
> >
> > By the way - the idea of zope in intranet's is really well. I am just
> > finishing my thesis to a polytechnic about building intranet to
> > support implementation of strategy -- and supprise supprise
> > as a case example I present an intranet built with Zope and CMF.
> >
> > -huima
> >
> >
> >
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