[Zope] What causes the community to stall so often?

[Ron Arts]

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Lennart Regebro wrote:
> From: "Oleg Broytmann" <phd@phd.pp.ru>
> 
>>   I don't. During my life I saw it many times - beginner sysdmins do
>>configure-make a lot. Experienced (and busy) sysadmins use ready-made
>>packages - RPM/DEB/PKG on Linux (and Solaris), ports on *BSD.
>>
> 
> This is quite simply, complete and utter bullshit. Sorry.
> 

Well, I will not comment on your tone of voice (oops, i'm sorry, I just
did it), I'd like to say the following:

1. I am a fulltime unix administrator since 1993, call me experienced.
2. I am very busy.
3. I *highly* prefer RPM over './configure;make;make install'

The last one because we do not install compilers on production servers
due to security reasons. This makes the 'configure;make' step
rather cumbersome as I have to translate C into hex assembly
instructions by hand.

So there is at least 1 experienced and busy sysadmin in the world
that uses RPM. So it cannot be _complete_ and _utter_ bullshit.
Maybe it's _incomplete_ and _almost utter_ bullshit.


 >>Install MySQL, MySQLdb and ZMySQLDA (or Postgres and its DA).
 >
 >No, you don't need to install this.

Let me quote from the zope book:

 > MySQL
 > MySQL is a fast open source relational database. You can find more information about MySQL at
 > the MySQL web site. The MySQL DA is maintained by Zope community member Monty Taylor.

Well, the time I spent on trying to install it (and later making an
RPM for it) was wasted then?

 >>5. Setup Data.fs (import Products and ZClasses, configure, etc).
 >>6. Modify Apache's config (to make it connect to Zope).
 >
 >These two last things can not be done by any RPM. You will have to do that
 >manually, no matter what.

'Not be done by any RPM?' You obviously know little about what RPM's
can and cannot do.

Please be informed in your answers, and don't try to put down others.

Ron Arts

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